Why key players have left Arsenal and how to stop it happening again

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Nowadays in football there is no loyalty. This is because of one reason, and one reason alone: football is now a business, and everyone knows that there are no friends in business. Everyone now involved in football, whether that be players, managers, owners,or  clubs and agents, are looking out for no. 1. Behind every action of a player, manager, owner, club or agent, there is an ulterior motive that benefits whoever has instigated it.

Football fans see players moving clubs for a number of different reasons. The different scenarios include a player moving to a club that is more prestigious than the club they are currently at; a player moving to a club that offers them a higher wage than the club they are currently at; moving to a club that wins trophies; moving to a club for personal reasons (family, homesickness or because he does not feel respected by the club he is currently at); and even a player moving club because his friend has recommended him to do so.

As Arsenal fans, we are no strangers to players leaving our club, and our players who are still at the club are never far from transfer speculation. In recent years we have seen a lot of players leave our club. These include the likes of Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas, and recently Song and Van Persie (all of which have been our best players). Players will move clubs for many different reasons and there is no problem with this, but when you start to see a trend in the reasons why players leave a club (players leaving the club for the same reasons), you know that there is a deep lying problem within the club.

Arsenal are now one of these clubs and have been for a number of years, with players such as those mentioned above either leaving Arsenal for a more prestigious club, and/or a club that pays them higher wages, and/or a club that has won trophies in recent times.

Players who have left Arsenal are often branded as being selfish, greedy, sell-outs and traitors by us fans, but in my opinion I feel that they were right to leave Arsenal, and I will explain why.

Firstly, for most professional footballers, playing football is a job first and a hobby second. This means that to most football players this is their career. Like anyone else who has a career, you want to improve your career and climb the ladder to get yourself noticed. For the players who have left Arsenal in recent years, moving to a club which gives them a higher wage, a club that is more prestigious and a club that wins trophies is their way of improving their career; climbing the ladder and getting themselves noticed just like everyone in the world wants to do.

Secondly, many fans say that Arsenal players who have left the club should have been loyal and stayed at Arsenal, regardless of Arsenal not winning any trophies for 8 years. I have to disagree. Why should Arsenal players who have left the club, stayed at a club that is underperforming. Suppose it was the other way round and it was the player who was underperforming. The club would not stand by him. That player would more than likely be sold as quickly as possible or just kicked out the club (forced to go on loan). We have seen this with the likes of Park, Santos etc. Suppose your boss had been promising you a pay rise for 8 years and you never got it; you would leave the company you work for as well.

What Arsène Wenger and the board must do to stop more of our best players from leaving our club for the same reasons, is very simple. 

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Arsène Wenger and the board must abandon their current wage structure that Arsenal are using to reward their players. Arsenal pays the wages of their football players using the idea of a ‘socialist model’. This means that the gap paid in wages between the highest earners and the lowest paid players, are much narrower compared to the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea and Manchester City.

This is shown by the likes of Podolski and Walcott, who are regular first team players for Arsenal but get paid only around £90 000 a week, and the likes of Squillaci, who is a reserve player and our fifth choice centre back, and gets paid around £60 000 which is not a huge difference at all.

Arsenal’s collective wage bill every year is around £143 million which is the fourth highest collective wage bill in the Premier League; with Manchester United’s collective wage bill every year being around £160 million; Chelsea’s collective wage bill ever year being £171 million; and Manchester City’s collective wage bill every year being the highest in the Premier League at around £201.

Manchester United’s wage collective wage bill is not that much higher than ours but because they do not follow the ‘socialist model’ of paying wages this means that they can afford to pay the likes of Van Persie and Rooney around £220 000 a week, meanwhile we cannot afford to pay wages above the £110 000 mark to players. Arsène Wenger and the board need to start paying the wages of Arsenal players based on their performances, abilities and value to the team.

In addition quite a large chunk of Arsenal’s collective wage budget is made up from Arsenal paying other clubs to take Arsenal players on loan (for example Denilson whose loan deals just seem to never end). Arsène Wenger and the board would save a lot more money if they just sold these players or released them from their contracts.

This must stop, and with the money saved from selling or releasing players from their contracts, as opposed to just loaning them out, and by switching to a new wage structure, it would allow Arsenal to pay their best players what they deserve, and also have the money at their disposal to pay the wages needed for top quality players to come to Arsenal.

If Arsène Wenger and the board can do this, we will easily start to be able to win trophies again and our club will be able to be as prestigious as it used to be, and our best players will not want to leave Arsenal.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the topic.

Written by: AFC.

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209 Responses to Why key players have left Arsenal and how to stop it happening again

  1. Milo says:

    The thing is Van Persie was a Gooner before he even thought about joining our club as a young player. Have you even seen the old photograph of him in his room with all the various posters and Arsenal paraphernalia??? If you are a Gooner, then you NEVER leave the club, no matter what!!! It’s not like his family was starving, or he was playing under untenable conditions. No, what he did was take the easy route out. It’s like a relationship or marriage…do you stay and fight through the tough times, or do you just up and leave when the next best thing arrives, or a perceived “better option” emerges???

    Call me old fashioned, but when you are a Gooner, or a supporter of a certain club, and you are lucky enough to be employed by that franchise, you are making a life-long commitment. At least that is how it should be viewed in my eyes.

  2. AFC says:

    Milo thanks for your views on the topic.

    Regarding Van Persie he did take the easy way out but you have to see the point that he can leave Arsenal and still support them at the same time. For example Walcott was a boyhood Liverpool fan. We were big rivals with Liverpool years ago and he stiil chose to come to Arsenal. He could have easily gone to another club.

  3. Milo says:

    He could still support us, but he’s finished as a true Gooner in my eyes. If Walcott isn’t a true Gooner now, then he never will be.

    Say I chose to sign for a club apart from Arsenal…Liverpool for example, I would immerse myself in their past and history, and try to educate myself about the club I was signing for, at the very least. That in itself is a sing of commitment, and shows the supporters that you value what the club is all about. That’s what I would do anyway. Then after an appreciable length of time, I could call myself a true supporter of said club. Then if the club went in to decline, I wouldn’t just up and leave at the first offering of something that is supposed to be better than what I already have, or the current situation I am in.

    That’s how I feel anyways.

  4. AFC says:

    Milo agreed, I think it was Benteke who said that he thought Aston Villa was in London. How can you join a club you know nothing about. From what I hear a lot of players do this and it is a sad sight.

  5. h4rj says:

    Big players leave. Persie saw his contract out. That was what he promised by signing and he fulfilled his promise. Not a judas. Your theory doesn’t fit too well though. Doesn’t explain Henry, pires, vieira or petit leaving. It also doesn’t explain Ronaldo leaving united or Robben leaving chelsea. People leave for lots of reasons just like any work place.

  6. AFC says:

    h4rj, I was talking about players in recent years in my article and explaining how these players have left us in recent years. Henry and the others you mentioned did not leave Arsenal in the last few seasons.

    Also my article is only about Arsenal players not players from other clubs. I also did explain the other reasons why players leave clubs (read the second paragraph again).

  7. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi AFC 🙂

    Thank you for a fantastic maiden post on Bergkampesque. Top stuff!

    It is a topic that has been on all our minds in recent years, and I am sure we will hear various views tonight and tomorrow.

    It is a difficult subject for me. My heart says there should not be too big a gap between first team players. For example, Hernandez scored as many goals as Rooney this season, yet probably earns a third of GS’ salary. Arteta works his socks off and put his body on the line game after game, yet probably earns £30k per week less than Podolski or Theo, and some players do not even have to sit on the bench to collect the same pay cheque.

    My brain tells me that we will keep losing top players as long as others are prepared to pay them vastly more. Some clubs do not operate in a normal economic reality and others are prepared to pay some key players as much as it takes.

    In a team sport all need to work together to achieve something and there needs to be a level of fairness for all players to contribute with full commitment to the cause. So, I understand Wenger’s philosophy of not paying some players significantly more than others.

    However, if we get/develop genuine top talent, we should pay them the going market rate, as long as we can afford it – and getting rid of those players who have become surplus to requirement is not as simple as many believe it is.

    It is risky though, as a player can get injured or simply lose his form: Rooney recently, Torres since joining Chelsea, Squillaci and Chamakh at Arsenal, etc etc. It might also demotivate others to work hard for the club, or want to stay loyal to us. It is also likely to lead to continuous requests for salary reviews.

    In an ideal world, football in England would be a lot fairer, with salary caps and a cap on number of players can be bought/ budget restrictions. But those days are gone.

    We have to hope FFP will work properly, otherwise player salaries will keep going up and soon our top players can get something in the region of £500k per week, or £25m per annum somewhere else.

    So, in a nutshell: my heart disagrees with you and my head partly agrees wtih you. If we want to win something again we might have to pay one or two players mega salaries in order to attract/keep them. Whether it will be sustainable or good for the club in the long run remains to be seen.

  8. gaya says:

    Alex Song left Arsenal and said he was hungry for trophies. i certainly remember he was 90 minutes away from winning the carling cup final. Was he not hungry then?
    i hear everyone saying we have let great or world class players go. these players which you have also mentioned played together at some point in the 8 years. why couldn’t they win anything?
    i hear you say they weren’t playing with other world class players. so i ask, when Flamini and Hleb left, did they not regard Cesc and Van Persie or when Cesc and Nasri left did they not regard Van Persie as world class/
    if we are really honest only Van Persie has been a key player to his new club and that says a lot.

  9. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi h4rj

    Van Persie had a year left and was desperate to leave, so he burnt his bridges on purpose to force his departure. He also said he was a Gunner for Life and really loved the club. Now that is a Judas for you!

  10. AFC says:

    TotalArsenal, always good to hear from you and thank you for giving me a chance to write for this brilliant site.

    Regarding wages, where you say this may demotivate other players if other players are getting paid higher than then. I see this as potential motivation for others to work harder.

    If I was a manager I personally would pay all the first team one wage and the second team another wage, but in todays climate players just love money and will leave for a bigger pay cheque.

  11. Milo says:

    Hey Total, harking back to a recent article where you were questioning whether Rosicky was being played enough, and if he had a fight with Wenger, there is something on goal.com that might help explain things a bit??? It’s just been put up. It’s an interivew with Rosicky. He doesn’t seem to be too upset and said all the right things, including something humorous. I think his chance might come soon…hopefully!!! 😀

  12. TotalArsenal says:

    AFC, you have done the blog proud with the quality of your post!

    Yes, to a certain extent it will work as a motivator to lower paid players if some players earn a lot more, as long as the those players really believe they will get their rewards if and when they make progress, and achieve their targets.

    But how many players can MU pay £12m a year? It is likely to lead to continuous request for salary reviews and therefore either rapid wage inflation, or dissatisfaction among the players, or both.

  13. TotalArsenal says:

    Let’s hope so too Milo. For me, Tomas is the most natural replacement for Jack, and I can also see him play with Jack and Mikel behind him and Cazorla and Pod on the wings.

  14. AFC says:

    TotalArsenal, agreed. I think that this has happened to Man City and now in the summer they are looking to sell players to cut there enormous wage bill as they cannot sustain the wages they are paying to players.

  15. TotalArsenal says:

    Milo, I just read the interview. Now that is a club man for you! 🙂

    AFC, Citeh have been incredibly wasteful with money, and I hope it is FFP that is making them change their way now…

  16. for those comparing football to a normal day to day job,one word…WRONG!!!!playing for a football club is somewhat prestigious..you are the face of the club and represent its values..there is an emotional and psychological attachment to the club as a player..that’s why we LOVE and are PASSIONATE about JACK…he represents EVERYTHING we love about the arsenal..passionate, hardworking and plays the arsenal way,the beautiful way…for me, Jack is more of a man than RVP…he NEVER hides, ALWAYS stands up and FIGHT…LITERALLY!!!..rvp took the easy way out JUST when he turned good…he once said winning a trophy with another club other than the arsenal wouldn’t feel like his trophy,yet he did exactly that…see thing is,i don’t hate him, just disappointed…and yes,he is a JUDAS!!!bail on the man who MADE him and even do one better and take a swipe at him as he ditches his club…ZERO CLASS!!!To stop key players leaving our darling club has to start with the players themselves…see how Jack PLEADED with Theo to sign da ting…with guys like Jack and Jenko around they rub off their LOVE FOR THE CLUB to the rest of the squad…who didn’t feel proud when Jenko went bullocks when Santi nicked the 3 points 4 us against Villa???now that’s love…It starts with the players…commit themselves and drag this club to deserved heights.

  17. glic says:

    Fine post AFC.
    I agree we should be working the Manu style of payment, but unlike in the not too distant past when we had an abundance of ” Super Quality “, we now have very few !. Only Jack and Santi should be on a higher wage imo ( and I`m not talking £200k p w ), the rest ( and I dont mean the obvious deadwood aka Team Squillaci and the lone arrangers ) are probably justifiably on even wages. If and when we bring in some ” Super Quality “, then their wages should reflect that.
    RVP should have been the first in the new wage structure but thats past, so other than Ronaldo and Messi, I cant see any players out there worth £200k per week . No others have hit their heights !.

  18. TotalArsenal says:

    Well said Kenyan Gooner – that’s the passion! 🙂

  19. AFC says:

    Kenyan Gooner, I have to disagree with you.

    Some football players do not even like football and play just for the money so to them it is just a job.

    Regarding Jack and Jenk do we really know what they are thinking. They could easily have ulterior motives for staying at Arsenal.

  20. William says:

    These guys left because they believe Wenger was only interested in playing eye catching soccer.Winning trophies did not matter as long as hey ended 4th.To compound the problem,the fm flooded his team with kids believing he could win the epl on the cheap.
    This season has been a stark reality his philosophy aint working and if he did not change he could be forced out.It’s too early to judge if he has put his opposition to scoring the pefect goal to rest.But if the last two games are an indication of a change,hopefully it aint too late to get 4th.

  21. AFC says:

    Glic, thank you for your comments and I fully agree with you. Not many players do deserve pay rises but the problem at Arsenal is that Gervinho could be playing poor and then next season bang in 30 or more goals and he would not get that much of a wage increase. This needs to change and players need to be rewarded when appropriate.

  22. glic says:

    As I posted a while back, City are starting to abide by FFP. their vision is of the future and they are ploughing millions into the best state of the art youth academy training facility in the world. Under FFP, they can spend as much as they like on the youth academy. It may not have brought any gems through yet as it wont be finished until 2014.

  23. AFC says:

    William, Wenger’s philosophy is not to win the Prem on the cheap with young players.

    He wants to win the Prem in style with a team that has been brought through the youth system and which have spent years developing to become the perfect team and then wants this team to dominate football for years.

    Sad thing is in reality this is very hard to do.

  24. William says:

    Thank you AFC for saying Wenger wants to win style. I fully agree with you.If red faced or for that matter any manager had wanted to win in style ,they would have done so.
    Wenger is deluded in this sense and if he doesn’t change it will end infurther decline of Arsenal and he will be forced out or axed. By then three to five yaers will have been wasted and Arsenal will drifting like Liverpool.

  25. Bobby Sure says:

    I have to disagree with the wage structure issue. The media love to flog this myth about that all players think about is money. Money is important for any human being to support themselves and their family. Footballers have an extremely short shelf life to maximise their earning potential successfully. But we’re not talking about tiny sums of money here. Most of the AFC roster earn the amount that someone with a good job in the UK would earn and thats post tax in the space of a week. I really think footballers move to win trophies. These guys are so damn rich, I dont think it would hardly matter. They probably invest the money they cant spend.

    Expanding the wage structure is kind of a false dawn. We’re better off to take that money and reinvest in more players. I doubt anyone of those that left would have said yes to 150 thousand a week and 4th place. To demand more money for these players its absolutely nonsensical. This article acts as if these 90 thousand pound a week footballers are struggling to make ends meet ! And they deserve our financial pity.

    At the end of the day, players want to play for teams who win things and have the potential of winning things. None of the players that left have had much success. And honestly we’ve just been plain unlucky. Cesc leaving snowballed a potentially title winning team and those are circumstances hard to contain. Cesc stays, so does nasri and we would have been a very competitive team last season. It must piss arsene off no end that all the work he and his staff and the team put in came to absolutely nothing.

  26. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi William

    Arsenal have not been playing ‘perfect goal’ football since the departure of Cesc, and look where it got us. All we can hope, is that we get back to that sort of footie next season; backed up with some steel and intelligence in our defence.

  27. Bobby Sure says:

    And plus what right to these players have to demand 50-60 thousand more in wages for doing a job we’d all probably do for free. If your 100 percent fiscally motivated than good riddance. We already pay the highest ticket prices in europe. Its an absolute disgrace that we should be going to them to help them out when they earn astronomical money. If they up the wage the fans are the ones that are footing the bill. Absolute liberty.

  28. AFC says:

    William, I agree that Wenger does have to change his ways but not entirely, if Wenger stills brings in youth players but has experienced players to supplement them this will solve our problems.

  29. AFC says:

    Bobby Sure, thank you for commenting on my article.

    The wage structure is a problem because no matter how much money is injected into the squad, Arsenal will continue to only pay players with a specific benchmark in place meaning that if we want to attract world class players and keep ours we will not be able to.

    Are the players you buy not the players that win you trophies and lead to players wanting to stay at Arsenal?

  30. TotalArsenal says:

    Bobby Sure, hi.

    I wish you were right, but many are motivated mainly by money and status. They talk to each other about what they earn and the agents get them really fired up about it as well

    Look at Dortmund. Great, great club, with phenomenal support, and they have been winning trophies recently as well. Yet, just like us, they lose one or two players every season, because they cannot/don’t want to pay rediculously high wages to just a few players within the team.

    Money talks. 😦

  31. AFC says:

    Also Bobby Sure, players have the right to demand more money for 2 reasons.

    1) There is a going rate paid to all footballers but top clubs.

    2) Clubs make huge amounts of money from players (ticket sales, shirt sales etc.) and make even more money if players are playing well so they are entitled to ask for a bigger cut.

  32. AFC says:

    TotalArsenal, brilliant example you used when talking about Dortmund. Money is a big factor. They win trophies but see the likes of Kagawa and Sahin leaving their clubs.

  33. AFC says:

    I am really glad I wrote this article for BK.

    Great responses are being made regarding why players are leaving us and about our wage structure which I feel often gets lost in our debate about success.

  34. TotalArsenal says:

    Yes AFC and the next one is their striker, who probably has already signed for BM… depressing really.

    I can only hope that the likes of Arsenal and Dortmund can somehow bug the trent, because the principle of winning trophies equating 100% with how much money a club spends, is simply depressing to me.

  35. TotalArsenal says:

    Fully agreed AFC, and that is what blogging is all about: learning from each other in a respectful way, by not just making a statement but by trying to explain your reasons behind that statement as well.

    Tonight we have seen some great examples of that already.

  36. AFC says:

    About clubs spending huge amounts of money I am split.

    I used to think why should FIFA have the right to tell clubs how much they can spend.

    Now I see that money can ruin football and that is why numerous other sports have enforced spending caps to stop people like Man City buying their trophies and success.

  37. Land of the Blind & the one eye man says:

    I’d have to disagree, at what point do the players have to stand up and be counted…. Arsenal have lost over half a team of our best players – mainly to City. Who at the time had not won anything, or hadn’t for decades – it was only the money. Greed.

    The Arsenal players in question were already paid handsomely, and were competeing for Silverware, but it was the money that forced the move.

    The fact that this has all happened after 2 Billionaires turned up – are we just to believe this is coinidence?

    Van Persie was the Captain – to leave and turn your back after an offer of $130K a week is just weak, cowardly especially to go to a rival. If he was at Villa, or Wigan then the argument has legs, but from Arsenal to United is in my opinion a chocker, he never won anything with Arsenal, and he has to take a large propotion of the blame as he went missing in the big games, whilst playing alongside Cesc, Nasri etc.

    The other point you fail to mention it that our Stadium is now pretty much paid off. the sale of various players whilst remaining a top four club is impressive despite the lack of silverware (which has been close – finals etc). If find it hard to believe that if you are writing independently you would fail to miss this? or even acknowledge it would have en effect?

    Arsenals issue has been they have been to successful, and then someone with more money has come along and tempted the talent away with ridiculous offers. You cannot win an open auction with the least amount of money – that is a simple fact.

    City and Cheslea are now awash with talent, so their signings are going to be more hand picked rather than the 5 – 7 players every open season, as in the past 4 – 5 years City have gone from nothing to title winners with half our squad, the fact we have taken a down turn in form in the same time is no coinciednce.

    The Future can only look better, Wenger has said the wage strucuture will change, City and Chelsea have full squads of talent and cash is becoming available due to the Stadium being paid off. This has all been achieved whilst remaining a top four club…. in my opinion is pretty remarkable.

    You mention what Arsenal are doing, but the Market has a larger effect on the bigger picture. As I said try winning an auction when you rivals have bottomless pockets.

  38. TotalArsenal says:

    Agreed AFC 🙂

    Off to bed now, catch you all tomorrow.

  39. AFC says:

    Land of the Blind & the one eye man on, thank you for your comments but when you talk about the stadium playing a huge part in money I just cannot agree with you.

    United have huge debts and so do Chelsea and City but this has not affected them in terms of spending.

    Also Wenger once said I wish I could just give you my phone for one day to see how many people ring me up wanting to join Arsenal. If Arsenal had offered higher wages, not as high as City we would have attracted players as Arsenal has a huge history. Wages given to players at Arsenal are based on the wage model used by Arsenal.

  40. Highbury Harmony says:

    It’s incredible how few of you understand money relative to an occupation, the length of an athlete’s career and the motivation that money has in driving professional athletes.

    Remuneration in any occupation is relative and football is no different. Throughout their entire lives, footballers train and play to be rewarded handsomely and no player in their right mind would sacrifice significant long-term financial security if the opportunity presented itself (I’m talking about the difference between a couple million per year, not minimal discrepancies).

    Player salaries are relative to others playing the same sport, just like how regular employees in regular jobs are remunerated relative to other professionals in the same positions. Comparing the salaries that professional athletes earn in a week to the salaries of a regular employee in a year is ridiculous and comparing apples to oranges. The reason they’re paid so much more is because they are able to do something that the majority of the people in the world cannot do (less than 1% of footballers in the world become professionals at the top level). Compared to professional athletes in other sports (NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA etc.), they are remunerated exactly as they should be.

    Of course any of us would sacrifice wages to play for AFC, but there’s a significant difference since none of us have the ability to play professional football. For us, it’s a pipe dream that can never be achieved and we could easily resume our daily lives and restart our regular jobs. It’s a different matter for these professional athletes since once their short careers are over, there is no form of compensation awaiting them in retirement (some are fortunate enough to gain employment as scouts, managers, coaches etc.). Passion c

    To athletes, higher wages equates to securing their long-term futures and keeping their families in consideration once they are retired; passion for a club cannot interfere with this, just think of how you would act if you had your own family in mind. When lesser or equal players are remunerated more than yourself, it’s a natural reaction/response to ask to be compensated fairly. Careers for the majority of footballers and athletes in general is not long and injuries can occur at any time.

    Thus, I agree with TA that the wage structure must be changed in order to accommodate our top players. I’m not advocating that we inflate player salaries, but that we properly compensate the in-house developed talents once they are worthy of higher wages.

  41. Highbury Harmony says:

    By the way, fantastic debut article on BK, AFC. It was a pleasure to read and as per my comment above, I certainly agree with you to a large extent. Money outweighs loyalty to a degree.

    If a player is passionate about his club and the club are willing to remunerate said player fairly, the player will take a slight discount to stay with the club. HOWEVER, there is a large discrepancy between a few million and 100k per year, especially if you are getting older and few chances remain to win a trophy with yourself as a centrepiece. In that sense, I can reason with van Judas’ departure, however I hate him for the manner he left the club and his comments about our club in the aftermath.

  42. AFC says:

    HH, thank you for your comments on my article.

    I am glad you saw what my article was trying to portray.

  43. Highbury Harmony says:

    Forgot to add, it’s much easier to take a hometown/club discount to stay with a club, if the club is winning silverware. Everything in this world is results-oriented and football is no exception. You play to earn as much as you are paid in wages because you never know when you’ll be replaced by another player or prospect.

  44. Highbury Harmony says:

    AFC :), you are a wonderful addition to the growing contingent of writers on BK! I hope this is only the first of many great articles you will write here!

  45. AFC says:

    HH, Van Persie had every right to leave Arsenal but the manner in which he did was unacceptable. Said two things to TA yesterday.

    Regarding Van Judas I do not know if you know about this but apparently he stuck it on Wenger and told him the club had no ambition. He them made crazy demands and asked for a £5m loyalty bonus and £13m a year wages. Plus wanted a new right back and new central defender signed and also his own personal dutch physio paid for by Arsenal.

    What a pisstake. He just had to go.

    Also, nowadays you can never believe a word players say. Sol Campbell (not sure what club he was at or if it was even him) in an interview said that his loyalty was with his club. When he left and fans were outraged his agent in an interview had the cheek to say that Campbell meant that while he was under contract his loyalty was with his club.

  46. Highbury Harmony says:

    AFC, completely agreed re: van Judas. He forced AW’s hand and the manner of his departure was disgraceful. However, I understand why he wanted to leave. At 29 years of age, Arsenal did not look like they’d be a club competing for silverware next year and he only has 2-3 years left to be a centrepiece of a title winning side. However, that’s as far as I’d show any sympathy because I f*cking hate his guts hahaha!

  47. AFC says:

    HH, as you can see these two things I said to TA illustrates the fact that there is no loyalty in football and that everybody in football does what they do because of an ulterior motive that only benefits themselves.

  48. Land of the Blind & the one eye man says:

    AFC – we agree to disagree, Unitied recently created and sold off shares to fund the likes of the Van Persie move, something that will offer no value at the end of his contract, and their debts keep growing, with the Owners taking money out. United will fall from grace with their current model unless they are sold to another bottomless pocketed billionaire.

    Chelsea have bottomless pocketrs so the debts are written off, which is completely differnet to a self sustaining business model.

    both have spent for short term gain – the long term only time will tell.

    Arsenal still pay top level wages compared to the rest of Europe, and Wenger has admitted the socialist model does not work and will change.

    Jaun Mata for example was due to join Arsenal then Chelsea offer more money, unless you are prepared to get into an auction for a player with a club that has no limits to their spending so you cannot possibly compete without putting the whole finaincal structure in danger and paying over the market odds because other clubs are run as play toys.

  49. Land of the Blind & the one eye man says:

    regardless of how good our wages are, if someone without restrictions on financial resources wants one of our players / any player – they will be tapped up and offered double, treble etc. which is exactly what has happened. Ronaldo to real Madrid…

    Why Arsenal, because we were successful, because we had great players. Which reflects on positively on Wenger. You don’t see many clubs offering 25 million for Adebayor and 180k a week now? the same applied

  50. Land of the Blind & the one eye man says:

    to nasri.

  51. AFC says:

    Land of the Blind & the one eye man on, I partially agree with you. But what about players like Song and Fabregas. They did not get extremely high wages from Barca and Barca got them on the cheap. They still owe us money from both of their sales despite already paying peanuts for them.

  52. AFC says:

    Also if your club is winning lots of trophies like Barca players will be less likely too leave. Suppose York City got themselves a billionaire and offered Messi £400 000 a week I doubt he would go to York.

  53. Julian says:

    Totally agree

  54. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Fine post AFC

    This is a complex area but i will give you my input

    Firstly, the use of the word “socailist” to describe our wage model was a bit of a ricket from Arsene. i believe at the time he was trying to portray to a group of journilists the subtle diffrences between our model and our rivals and gave them and critics of the club a delicious bone. 90K a week for some and 50k for others? Trotsky would have a heart attack. Lets call it a comparative model.

    Now lets look at it from a historical perspective. In essence, what has changed in players thinking so drasticly? I can assure you, not a lot. Players have always had the same fundamental motives, money and glory been the main drivers.

    Been a bit of an old git i will let you into a little secret. in the late seventies arsenal had a genius of a player called Liam Brady. despite our best efforts he opted for a move to Juventus. More money and more glory. This was followed a few years later by the departure of our best striker, Frank Stapleton to Man Utd. What did the fans call him? Yes, Judas.

    in the mid to late eighties Arsenal were on the rise and emerging as the threat to Liverpool. We had the best right back in the country in Viv Anderson yet the guy left us for, guess who? Man Utd.

    In the nineties and early noughties Arsene created a footballig paradise. did that stop Petit, anelka, and overmars leaving?, i think we know the answer to that one.

    So if we accept that players motives are unchanged, what then has changed within the envoirement to create a greater movement of players out of the club?

    Lets look at it from arsenals internal envoirement. The move to the Grove nessecitated a difrent strategy in order to remain competitive. The idea was that since money was tight we would develop talent rather than purchase it. This meant paying market rate for young players and rewarding them handsomly. Whilst we could not compete in the transfer market for ready made players, we did compete with our rivals for younger ones. e.g. Ramsey, theo, ox etc.

    This policy is risky. How good would these young players be? what kind of injury record would they have?. In addition, and fundemantal to the argument, arsenal realised that when you develop a squad of young players then to stop the more “imature” minds from bickering then wage parity was nesseasary. Thus to bring them here we paid them top dollar, and to keep them happy we paid top dollar.

    This policy is all good and understandable, Now lets look at arsenals external envoirement

    Quickly after our implentaion of the new policy, Mr Abramovich turned up ad then those nice Sheiks at man city. Dear oh dear.. Money no object and wages going trough the roof. On top of this, the last decade Barca and Madrid have taken advatage of there hugh marketing potential to double there financial turnover as have the loveable man utd.

    I would also like to add a further pont that historicly speaking english players are more likely to stay than foreign ones. Never underestimate the British psyche, that these are islands and not part of the continent of europe. More foreign players means the likelihood of player exodus is increased.

    Now the present and the future, what the F*uck are we going to do about it? hahahaa

    Firstly, we have not paid the stadium off, no were near. What has happened is that we have reached a point were we are no longer tied into old commercial deals thus we should make a lot more money

    Secondly FFP and othe factors should help us

    Thirdly, we are attempting to tinker with the wage model, but this is not an over night process. we are stilll living through the transitional effects of its implentation.

    Fourthly, we are looking to form a side with English players at its heart. Recall my islanders comment from earlier.

    Things are on the up, its not all doom and gloom. the big changes that have occured within arsenals internal and external envoirement ae the big reasons why we have won nothing for the last eight years

    Thos who rabidly have a go at arsene wenger or the Board for been incompetent are either young, bitter, or fools of the highest magnitude

    Keep the Faith

  55. Land of the Blind & the one eye man says:

    AFC – Cesc was an exceptional case, he always stated he would go back, being a Catalan youth (who says there is no loyalty) and never changed his stance, from day one and even left for less money. Cesc was honest in his reasons – which were footballing reasons and family reasons.

    Song on the other hand, was an ill disaplined defensive midfielder. Who’s head was turned, and Wenger was right to offload him if the player is not commited. If he was paid 100k a week to stay there would be alot of noise about it – the majority negative I am sure.

    Your senerio with York City is a little far fetched and slightly childish just to lable a point, but would have Samba gone to bottom of the table QPR if it wasn’t for the money? Nasri to Man City, Would liverpool have sold Torres if it wasn’t for 50 million? Ronaldo to Real… 80 million? It clearly happens and Samba is a fine case, there is a huge chance he could be playing Championship football next season on 100K a week, which or the club is not a good thing. there would have been other offers for the player, but not at that rate.

    Great post Mancini’s hair transplant. Like it.

    keep it Goonerish.

    Silverware is an attraction, but if like City is costs you 1 billion to buy a title – you need bottomless pockets.

    If you back every horse in a race you will be garanteed a winner, but you will lose money in the process.

  56. Highbury Harmony says:

    Geoffrey Kongdogbia of Sevilla has emerged as potential target for Arsenal this summer. Rumored transfer fee: £ 4-5 million.

    I love that he’s currently learning and developing in La Liga and the inevitable comparisons to Vieira have been drawn since he’s a tall, physical and skilled DM.

    Very good at interceptions, physical tackler, powerful aerially, outstanding ball control for his size/position, good pace and ball distribution and all around good instincts at both ends of the pitch.

    Here’s a video that highlights some of his skills:

  57. Highbury Harmony says:

    Kondogbia*. However Kongdogbia is more appropriate because he’s like King Kong out there hahaha!

  58. AFC says:

    Land of the Blind & the one eye man on, agree on your point about Fabregas.

    Regarding Song, he was not ill disciplined he was a box to box midfielder being asked to play as a DM.

    My example of York is a bit far fetched but I was merely using it as an example. As for Samba leaving Anzhi was not a top club anyway and he only joint them for money so him going QPR for more money makes sense. Also if QPR get relegated does he not have a chance to leave QPR.

  59. AFC says:

    TERRY, thank you for reading my article and making such a fine long comment.

    Regarding historical change you are right there has not been much. The problem is that in todays climate of football there are many more new clubs out there ready to persuade players to come to club for money. I remember not to long ago where Man City were a midtable team, now look where they are. Look at the Russians clubs and how much money they now have to splash.

    Also agree with your point for us opting to try to develop more talent rather than buy it because money was going to be tight. You can do this but the problem is you have absolutely no or very little experienced players in your team and most likely these players will leave for more money to go to a club like Chelsea.

    Also, see your point that English players are less likely to leave. This is because growing up they know everything there is about the English clubs. For example Walcott was a boyhood Liverpool fan but he probably knows everthing about Arsenal’s history and therefore he almost feels like he is a fan of Arsenal now he is playing for them. To foreign players Arsenal is just one of many English clubs.

  60. AFC says:

    Land of the Blind & the one eye man on, money is a huge factor as I mentioned in my article but so are prestige and trophies. Your examples are between same level clubs whuch means that money is the only factor but between clubs at different levels, prestige and trophies play a part. If a player left Celtic to come to Arsenal he most likely would have joined Arsenal because it is a more prestigious club. Somewhere where he feels he has more chance of winnin the CL than at Celtic, where he can be noticed in the world at a bigger club. He might not get a bigger pay cheque but he would still leave. We saw this with Arteta taking a pay cut to come to Arsenal. It is clear he did not leave for the money.

  61. marcus says:

    AFC,
    I am in total agreement with you. That socialist wage structure is another form of babying i was telling highbury harmony. I think Arsene does this to promote a sense of equality when we all know they are not. Jack Wilshere earns around 60k, the same wage as Squillaci. How on earth can anyone explain that to anyone? Top post AFC.

  62. Arsenal Made Cesc Homesick says:

    Well done AFC. Thanks for noting that our wage bill is not too different to that of Man U, but our use of it markedly so. I still hate to see that picture of Robing Van Purse with the Purple Nose. Did RVP really sign that contract with this right hand? I quote below an extract from RVP’s farewell statement, and seek your assistance in interpreting what he meant, which he was not willing to disclose:”Out of my huge respect for Mr. Wenger, the players and the fans I don’t want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward”. He had earlier, in the same statement, said that it was not about the money. I somehow feel he was being sincere, but what exactly did they disagree on? Any ideas?

  63. Arsenal Made Cesc Homesick says:

    It is a well known fact that substantive differentiation promotes performance. Jack Welch used it at GE to great effect, every year retrenching the bottom performing 10%. Where there is no differentiation there is no incentive for performance, and a bigger incentive to move to clubs that do recognise superlative performance.

  64. Land of the Blind & the one eye man says:

    AFC – I am at a loss who has left Arsenal for prestige then….? Van Persie was deinfately for money, if not he would have not made such a statement and left on a free a year later…?

    Cesc went home as agreed, Nasri, Kolo, Clichy, Ade went to a club with no recent history just money, and Song jumped at the chance to join Barca so could be the only one that moved for presttige – and with Santi joining, Jack and Rosicky he was not needed as a creative talent, with a refusal to play the DM as requested in a disaplined manner – 15 million is a no brainer. Song believed his own hype more than most, and encouraged the move, his lack of success at Barca is testiment to that.

    My point is – the players that joined City went for money first and foremost. If team lost 4 – 5 1st team players in a couple of seasons it is going to have an effect. One that Wenger or Arsenal could not control unless they threw stupid money at.

    Slating the team or the manager for something out of their control is short sighted.

  65. @babakrdaemi says:

    I feel arsenals wage structure is a little over empashised. No one is brought in on 60k to sit on the bench. Some players are over payed because of failing to live up to expectations rather than to keep the gap small between top and bottom earners.

    I also think we have been victim to wengers ability to recruit top talent and the shift towards bankrupt run clubs paying what they want.

    When cole left arsenal were still winning chelsea just doubled his salary. The same can be said of the 5 that went to city. If they stayed arsenal were competitive and could have started winning again. But double your money offers came in.

    Its easy for players to say they left for trophies, when you pay the salaries the top 3 do you will win. So money is the factor.

    In addition, both city and chelsea dont have the same set up as arsenal so there wages are concentrated on the first team. Arsenal and man u have a club.

    Finally I think arsenals wage bill is also due to too many players not up to the grade. Over the next 3 years as their contracts run out I am confident we will see an improvement. In the quality of players at the club.

    I feel the constant selling of our best players has forced to make quick and bad buys which has led in part to a high salary.

    Come on the gunners

  66. Red Arse says:

    Super Post, AFC. 🙂

    I agree with pretty much all of your comments.

    Players are just human beings and cannot be expected to be saints.

    How many fans can put their hand on their heart and say they always do the right thing?
    Even a small subjective survey of the regulars on this site would show that we never agree with each other about everything. And some of us do not agree on anything.

    If we were to venture into the ethics, personal standards, and morals of every blogger on the internet we would get into very murky waters indeed, so to sit in judgement on players is a bit rich frankly.

    There are some ancillary matters affecting the sale or retention of players which speaks more to mismanagement by Dick Laws of the players contracts.

    Every contract should be renegotiated when there are two years left on it. If players do not agree to an extension then, they should be shown the door then and there. That way the club wrest control back from the players, who the nearer the contract gets to its completion become greedier as to what there demands are.

    If arsenal stick to that premise, the question of loyalty does not arise. It is simply a negotiated deal.
    We (the club) will pay you (the player) £x, and you sign for 4 more years. If you choose not to accept our offer — we will sell you, now.

    The long running nonsense with Walcott should never have been allowed to happen. It was resolved by him signing for an extra 3 and a half years, (3 years from the end of this season) so at the end of next season the negotiations (2 years out) will start all over again.
    This time it should be — sign now Theo, or on your bike — and there are some of us who will not see that as any great loss. And so too with anyone else who farts about holding the club to ransom.

    Enough! I am off for breakfast!! 🙂

  67. Bobby Sure says:

    @ TA and AFC

    This really an issue of club philosophy in which I believe we should be unyielding. The kind of lets just spend spend spend rhetoric is the same direction of spending 40m on the current biggest thing and becoming another faceless, rudderless club. This club has a mercurial mystique that few clubs can even compare or claim to have ever had. The style of this club is more important than success for me. Supporting the idea and philosophy of being self sustainable is one of these core ideals. I realise this is an extreme view, most gunners just want to see the team win. But I tell you, if the day comes where the board appoint mourinho and buy falcao it will be a sad day for the club.

    We have a large number of players who really want to stay – the British core. Come on. Who really believed nasri was a gunner through and through ? Or even RVP ? The problem is already being solved by backing British wengerball.

  68. Red Arse says:

    Blimey, Bobby Sure, I almost choked on my glass of orange juice. [Good Morning to you 🙂 ]

    You see, there is an occasional blogger on AA called bobby, and, at first, I thought he had experienced an overnight Damascene conversion from his usual one line, critical comments.

    Anyway, having recovered my composure, well done – agree with your thoughtful comment!! 🙂

  69. oz gunner says:

    Bit behind the times but Jesus Christ that comment yesterday from GLIC about the sauna and rusted zimmerframe was probably the funniest thing I’ve ever read! Tears are flowing!

    @ RA

    Buzz-killington in regards to hating traitors! 🙂
    First I have BSR ripping my heart out after TA told me he was staying, and now you just have to go and make feel bad about hating him! GLIC’s serious comment yesterday nailed it for me. At the end of the day though I’ll never understand because i’d take the respect and the love from the fans over money any day of the week. It’s not as though Arsenal were paying him in food stamps either.
    I hope the Arsenal crowd make his life hell when he returns to the Emirates, then I hope GLIC/Terry take his mum out to a nice seafood dinner and never calls her again!!!

    Ok let’s see what you’ve got here AFC

  70. Gerry says:

    AFC – Great post – Great responses. Alas, my 20 hour shift on Sunday, at least 12 of it on said keyboard, left me ker-nacked today. So my response right now is going to be relatively brief. No disrespect to your blog intended

    I am with TA on this, re heart and head. I thought that you drifted towards saying you want Arsenal Football Club to be more ‘disloyal’ to players, to match the self interest of the players?
    I think the three examples you gave at the end are probably an indication that the trend has already started? Which is why I think we may lose more players this summer than actually come in?

    Your response to Kenyan Gooner@22.49 was a tad light. I cannot imagine players at the top level, which is where we are in the discussion, could reach the heights without enjoying playing the game?

    I tend to agree with Bobby Sure@23.16 that if we had secure a couple of trophies that the team were capable of winning over the 8 years, a lot of this would be irrelevant?

    Terry@01.55 made a similar point about the dual motivation over the years – Note to Terry. If you are going to use the ‘*’ to ameliorate the expletive, it is usual to remove the ‘u’ ha ha – It is not a new thing, but the sheer volume of money is, and left unchecked it will destroy many clubs?

    With many more excellent replies, I can rest easy, knowing that every I could possibly say, has been said, and in many cases, better than I ever could.

    AFC you can be proud that a maiden post has brought out so many replies from a much wider source than of late. Well done to you, you have clearly tapped a raw nerve in many fans?

    Can I just take a moment to applaud players like Bull of Wolverhampton Wanderers, who stayed at the one club he was happy at, and despite not being at a ‘fashionable club’ got his one England Cap. There is an example of the opposite of what we are talking about. I just hope for his sake he, has HH said earlier, made enough money in his short career to enjoy his retirement?

  71. VCC says:

    Oz…..08:28. I’ve told you so many times now, DON’T encourage that blighter GLiC. He is nothing short of a demented lunatic.

    It was funny though, weren’t it. lmfao.

  72. Gerry says:

    Morning Redders, I was with you over Bobby, But the ‘Sure’ nailed it. it is a different fella!

    Bobby, Booby, where are you? I am still awaiting my first lesson in all things Arsenal?

  73. Gerry says:

    Bloody hell – What have I done?? I have a comment ‘awaiting moderation’ ….

  74. Gerry says:

    It must have been too short? Ha ha

  75. VCC says:

    Oz, have a look at the day before the zimmerframe joke. The one about “Who wants to be a millionaire”?

    I thought that was the funniest. ?? 🙂

  76. oz gunner says:

    Cheers for the great read AFC, the posters on this site just keep getting better and better! (PPP don’t think i’ve forgotten about your video technology post promise!!!)

    When it comes to money and the AFC I am definitely a fish out of water so i’ll just stick with accounts opinions and say “yeah…what Terry and RA said!!!”

    I definitely agree that the wage structure has to go in place of a more updated model. The idea of younger/fringe players getting so much ticks me off a bit (but then again so does Theo’s drop in form after signing the contract, Flamini’s 1 year blitz, and Nasri’s 6 months blitz to bring in outside offers).

    Yes athletes have a small window of opportunity but it is one hell of an opportunity. It doesn’t have to be last chance saloon though. Aussie Rules clubs down here (not sure how it works elsewhere) allow players to study at universities whilst playing, or work towards coaching/mentoring roles. Add a degree to your popularity and it means windows open up for you very easily. Your career becomes what you make of it! If you think you’ll be on top of the world for 15 years, money rolling in, spend as you please…then you’re an idiot (like those footballing twits who whinge about being bankrupt). Those who don’t know better should have people at club level leading them in the right direction (if there isn’t in this day and age then there is problems).

    Players don’t have to be saints, but they are in the public eye. Kids look up to them and people respect them. If you want to be the devil then you shouldn’t whinge if people treat you like one! For example that Nasri clip from not long ago. Yes he left for money, I may disagree with it but so be it. Doesn’t mean he has to stick the boot in when he leaves and when they won the title last year. So what if you get booed, I’m sure it doesn’t impact your sleep. Yes the guys in the video may have been a bit over the top but deal with it Nasri.

    If RVP wants to dribble on about trophies wouldn’t be the same elsewhere or he’s Arsenal through and thought, he deserves everything he gets. Kenyan Gooner is correct, it’s more than just a game, for most it’s a way of life!

  77. oz gunner says:

    @ VCC

    hahaha that was brilliant too, just had a re-read of it then. Still nothing compares to the kiss chasey story…cornering himself and having his way with…yep himself haha. I just thought it painted the perfect picture of what GLIC is like. But all you folk say he’s the complete opposite and a gentleman haha. 🙂

  78. Bobby Sure says:

    @RA

    Its often a hard point to convey but there is something inherent in the clubs philosophy that makes arsenal so compelling. I think the rhetoric along the lines of more wages,bigger transfer fees is a slap in the face to the clubs hard earned ideals. Sadly, we’re not going to buy falcao and offer him 220 thousand pounds a week. And hey call me crazy but i’m more than OK with this. I know this is not the point the article raises but to me its in the same ballpark. Why would we aspire to be like chelsea or man city ?

    As an aside I wonder if anyone here knows how our wages at highbury staked up when we were winning things. I remember ashley cole and vieria leaving over wage issues. Man this is so damn complicated anyone in favour of a wage cap ? That would kill this whole issue.

  79. VCC says:

    Oz, he’s no gentleman, he’s a scoundrel of the highest order, believe me, Terry and I have had the misfortune of meeting him. He’s sooooo ugly too.

    I think Total should dedicate a headline section for all GLiC’s jokes and anecdotes.

    I want to read the kiss chasey story again.

    Don’t tell him, but I’m going to sabotage his pie n mash Saturday week. 😉

  80. oz gunner says:

    That may be so but his Mrs looks at him every day and sticks by him…therefore so can we.

    I agree. At least that way if we lose we’ve got some rippers to laugh at. Chop chop TA make it happen (no doubt it’ll fall of deaf ears though VCC, you know what TA’s like these days, doesn’t even write on his own blog…fame’s gotten to his head i think 🙂 )

  81. Rohan says:

    It goes back to the classic argument of socialism vs. capitalism. Essentially it is understood that socialism is a less efficient but more equal model. The problem is that all the other clubs are providing capitalist models, as a result poorer players have a greater incentive to stay, while better players have a greater incentive to leave.

  82. AFC says:

    Arsenal Made Cesc Homesick, thank you for commenting.

    I think Van Persie and Wenger did not agree on the way the club should be run. Van Persie said that the club had no ambition and that they needed to start buying players so they could win things. I think Van Persie wanted Wenger to sign more players than he actually did and spend more on signings. He also wanted higher wages than he was offered.

  83. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hahahaha, Oz, when we go the Reading game i will take a picture of myself, vics, and cornwall and then post it on here. Dont show it your Mrs though, it might put her off men. hahaha.

    Also, Cornwall might not like his picture displayed, i think the old bill are after him. hahaha

  84. AFC says:

    Land of the Blind & the one eye man on, It think you are missing the idea of my post. I am saying that these players in recent years have left for money but I am also saying that some of the clubs players went to was were winning thing therefore making them a more prestigious club and this played a part in why they decided to move club.

  85. AFC says:

    @babakrdaemi p, thank you for your comments. I did say that players who have left us in recents years have left us for a club that offers them more money, a more prestigious club and a club that wins trophies.

    Regarding what you said about Arsenal not intending to pay £60 000 for people to sit on the bench. I agree with you but the only problem is Arsenal are not looking to sell these players or release them to save money which could be used to sign better players.

  86. AFC says:

    Red Arse, thank you for commenting and glad you liked my article.

    I totally agree with you about the fact that if Arsenal were negotiating players contracts when they are in the last two years, loyalty would not be a question.

    Barca have found themselves in this position with Valdes leaving at the end of the season and other clubs find their players leaving for free which could have really been avoided. Maybe managers are scared to tell their best players when they must sign a contract not wanting to get on their bad side.

  87. AFC says:

    Bobby Sure, I do not want Arsenal to go and buy Falcao for 40 mill. I want Wenger to be able to bit quality players for around the 20-25 mill mark. For example Mata was coming to Arsenal but because Chelsea offered him higher wages he went to them. Wenger currently cannot pay above £100 000 to a player a week. By changing our wage model Wenger would be able to pay players the likes of £130 000- £150 000 a week.

  88. alexgunners says:

    Great Post AFC,

    For me this current wage structure is partially to blame for the team that we have now. Not all players will leave for the money, but the majority do. Let’s be honest, $100,000 pounds (sorry could not find the pound sign or symbol) a week is a ridiculous wage, but when you can nearly double it by going to another club, they will leave. We would leave if we were offered a job doubling our current wage. Therefore there is no loyalty, not just in football but in life itself. The only loyalty that exists is the one between us fans and our beloved clubs.

    Homesick Fabregas aside, would Moneybayor, Na$ri or Clichy have gone to Man City, a club with no history?? HELL NO!!! It is all about the money these days. Van Judas more than doubled his wages but also he could see that we had lost our core and everyone had jumped ship so where was the ambition shown by our club?? I hate the fact that he has gone especially to the ManUre. But it is somewhat understandable.

    Arsenal as a Football club have caused the damage to themselves. Instead of implementing a communist style wage structure, we could have followed the trend with other major clubs around the world. Imagine our line up if we had kept our players. I highly doubt that we would be going through this trophy drought.

    Not for one minute do I buy the line “We cannot compete with other clubs in wages:!!!!
    We have such a high wage bill that we could easily pay World Class Players by getting rid of mediocre dead wood that we carry each year. Loans, Players running out their contracts as no other club will pay what we currently pay them. To me this is ridiculous. End their contracts and lets move into 21st century football. We did not have to spend lots of money in the transfer windows, We already had the players in our club. We just mismanaged them and lost them after purchasing most of them for prices that you would pay for a low quality player these days. Due to the misguided decisions by our board and AW, we are way behind the 8 ball and it will cost us a lot of money to get us back where we belong.

    Do we need a billionaire??? NO, I just want our old Arsenal back with management that knows what is best for the club. We have sold all our players that could bring the club money. We need to invest well. We cannot nurture youth if we are serious about mounting a title run. We have no time for that or we face becoming a team like Liverpool. I am quite sure that we do not want that for our beloved club.

    Sorry guys for the essay, but I am very passionate about this topic and how our club is currently being run,

    What do you guys think?

  89. AFC says:

    Gerry, thanks for your comments.

    Benoit assou-ekotto is a player playing for a top club who just plays for the money. He has no interest in the game.

    My post said that players in recent years have left our clubs for a club that has won trophies, a more prestigious club and a club that offers to pay them more money. So by changing our current wage model we can keep hold of more of our best players and attract more quality players leading to trophie and stopping the problem of players wanting to leave us.

  90. AFC says:

    Rohan, thank you for commenting.

    Regarding the socialist wage model, in theory it is a brillant idea but in reality it jsut does not work. I do not know if you have read the book Animal Farm about communism and capitalism. The message of this book just illustrates my point.

  91. AFC says:

    Thank you for commenting alexgunners.

    I agree with you on the fact that Wenger says that we cannot compete with the other top clubs in the Prem in wages. My article says how close we are in wages to Man U so I think it is pathetic that the maximum wage we can offer to one player at Arsenal is half of the maximum wage Man U can afford to pay one players.

  92. AFC says:

    Land of the Blind & the one eye man on, you could say that Van Persie left for prestige as well as money because City were offering him the same amount in wages as Man U, but he chose Man U thinking that they are a bigger club and that he would have a better chance at winning things at United (he is now being proved correct).

  93. Red Arse says:

    AlexG,

    You are banging on an open door with both Wenger and Gazidis admitting they have got the wage structure wrong in the EPL environment, and have said they are changing that.

    The consequences of a flat line wage structure, is that some poor players, Denilson, Squillaci, Park, Bendtner etc have been paid massively more than they should have been.
    That is partly why we have not been able to get rid of them.

    Communist? — Capitalist?

    I do not think for one moment that Arsenal, who are a business, making business decisions, were arbitrarily and uniquely choosing between two politically opposite viewpoints.

    They (perhaps Wenger) were trying, I assume, to foster a sense of togetherness in the first team squad, and not to have jealousy or ‘elitism’ engendering inter-personnel divisiveness.

    They may have been right in that aspect, but an unintended consequence was to hamstring us in recruiting top players, and keeping special talent who attracted interest from other clubs.

  94. AFC says:

    Red Arse, totally agree. That is the reason why Wenger is now prepared to let the likes of Squillaci and Arshavin leave for free in the summer. Wenger has also said that he is now prepared to pay players around the £140 000 a week mark.

  95. TotalArsenal says:

    Afternoon fellow G’s 🙂

    Wow, AFC, you have generated some great comments in the last twelve hours or so, and well done for getting back to everyone with fine replies. If you can manage to get Terry to comment seriously, passionately, and as in-depth as he did last night, you should congratulate yourself for having written a top post. 🙂

  96. alexgunners says:

    RA,

    Completely agree that this is all an unintended consequence. But looking forward we need to right the wrongs of the past and make sure that we do not fall to far behind the big 3 (in terms of money and attraction to play for).

    I do not think that they are choosing a political viewpoint, but whilst the idea of togetherness in the squad by paying everyone a similar wage is a great one, it was never going to work in an environment where this does not happen anywhere else and silly money is being thrown at players.

    Definitely thank you for your viewpoint as it’s always great to read someone else’s views

  97. oz gunner says:

    @ Terry

    I worry that uploading GLIC’s picture would fry computer systems the world over. Cities would fall, governments would crumble, our houses left in ruins. It would send the world back to the dark ages!!! Then again that’s probably the same story you go with when trying to lure people into your bomb proof loft!

  98. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    No oz. A stocking over my face, a rubber cosh, chloroform, and some handcuffs usualy do the trick. hahaha

    When they wake up, they find that i have taken the stocking off and put it on there face. This will not only give great pleasure, it will distort there vision enough so you pass a identity parade. hahaha

  99. Highbury Harmony says:

    By the way, all of you are misinformed if you’re complaining about Arsenal’s lack of silverware for the past 8 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_L.F.C.#Honours

  100. TotalArsenal says:

    hahaha HH, so true! Sisters are doing it for themselves. 🙂

  101. AFC says:

    HH, really funny!

    But I only care about the Arsenal’s men team. I really do not care for women’s football in any way.

  102. Highbury Harmony says:

    TA 😉 . AFC, I was simply winding up the naysayers!

  103. TotalArsenal says:

    It is not too hard to see how hard a decision it is for Wenger/BoD to sanction the purchase of a top-top player like Cavani. Basically it is an investment of many millions that could work out really well or not at all.

    He would cost, say £30m to buy, and he would need to be offered a contract of four years in order to get him. We would probably would have to pay him in the region of at least £160k in order to get him. So that is a wopping £33m + £30m, or the equivalent of the income of about 50000 season tickets.

    That is a big investment decision to make: will he be another Veron, Torres, shevchenko, Carol??? Or will he help Arsenal to lift it to another level? By the end of his Arsenal contract he would be mid-thirty and have a low sales on value….

    As fans, we’ll say: yes please, just do it. But when you are responsible for the finances of the club it ain’t such an easy decision….

  104. TotalArsenal says:

    By the way, the socialist model does work both in countries and companies. There are many good examples that it can work really well. But, Alex and others are right, in that if other clubs are prepared to pay twice or three times as much as our top-wage, we are always going to struggle to hold to our top players.

    The alternative is to do a Dortmund, sell one or two players a year who want to leave for more money, but replace them with like for like quality, and make the system of football king rather than the quality of the individuals (key principle of Total Football). Arsenal is now, finally, in a position to replace like for like going forward if a player cannot be kept anymore…

  105. AFC says:

    TA, agreed.

    Wenger does not need to spend 30 mill and over for the players we need.

    Suppose Wenger could spend around 20 mill on a DM and around 20 mill on a ST and get that defender from Bilbao on a free with a cheap expereined GK. We would be set for next season. I would be happy with that.

  106. Highbury Harmony says:

    TA, therein lies the problem. Is Wenger still astute and crafty enough in the transfer market to replace a like for a like?

  107. Highbury Harmony says:

    AFC, we might not even have to spend 20 mil on a DM when Kondogbia is available for 4-5mil 🙂

  108. AFC says:

    HH, the thing is that Wenger does not need to spend 40-50 mill on players. We got Cazorla for around 16 mill. Wenger could find a top quality DM and ST for around 20 mil each with his expertise for catching a bargain in the transfer market.

  109. AFC says:

    TA, the thing is I really do not want Wenger to take chances on players. I do not mind Wenger selling Denlison and bringing in the guy you mentioned so he can be developed like the Ox, Jenk and others but I feel we need to spend big for a proven, experienced DM with the guy you mentioned as his deputy learning from him.

  110. AFC says:

    HH, that last comment was meant to be for you.

  111. AFC says:

    I want De Rossi or Tiote for DM.

  112. Highbury Harmony says:

    …Tiote would cost in excessive of 20 mil alone and is hot headed and makes terrible decisions quite often. He also lacks quality on the ball but is a true sense of a midfield enforcer in every sense of the word. However, he’s also not much of an aerial presence either at 5’11.

    When did I say Wenger needs to spend 40-50 mil on players?

  113. Highbury Harmony says:

    Also, all your numbers do not take wages into consideration. No true DM is worth in excess of 20 mil before wages either, unless his name is Sergio Busquets. Alonso and De Rossi are too old to be worth that much as well, while Alonso is more of a B2B midfielder too (Schweinsteiger as well is a B2B, which is why I didn’t mention him).

  114. AFC says:

    I was not talking about you, I was talking about all those fans who seem to think we need Falcao and others with huge price tags like him to win things.

    Also do you know anything regarding price of De Rossi?

  115. AFC says:

    HH, I did not take wages into consideration because we will gain a huge amount of extra money from wages once the all the deadwood (around 9 players) have been sold which we could use on new players.

  116. Highbury Harmony says:

    AFC, understood now, I was wondering where the 40-50 mil suddenly came from. De Rossi would cost in excess of £20 mil before wages, so for a player pushing 30, it’s not worth it imo.

    My preferences to fill the DM void would be (in order): Capoue, Wanyama, Benat, Gonalons, Rode, Kondogbia.

  117. AFC says:

    Happy with those options HH.

    Only thing that confuses me is the fact that Wenger seems to think Coq and Frimpong are not good enough.

    I thought these two players together in MF would have been perfect. Coq with the technical attributes for DM and Frimpong with the physical attributes. I can only dream.

  118. AFC says:

    HH, look at it like this. We have 70 mill in the summer.

    Sell Johan, Squillaci and Santos. Wages plus transfer money gained automatically pays for free defender from Bilbao. May even make a bit of a profit.

    Sell Mannone and Fab. Wages plus transfer money gained could automatically play for Cesar from QPR.

    Sell Denilson. Arshavin, Bendnter, Park and Cham that surely covers a new DM or round about.

    This means we would still have around 50 mill (minusing other costs I have not included along the way) to buy a new striker and and any other additional money needed for the DM.

    Tell me what you think.

  119. henrychan says:

    Hi all..
    @AFC . Good post bro..

    Talking about our wages sheme.. I don’t think any football team will do a socialist system.. Even Rusian and China now all very capitalist.. haha..

    We can’t blame Wenger for paying players such as Squilaci for 60k.. even now they didn’t play a single game.. They get their contract base on the value in that time.. Torres will always pay a lot (don’t know the price.. hehe..) even he can’t score a goal.. Demba Ba will never paid more than him.. hehe..

    No one know if a player will rise or sink..
    The problem is.. Wenger always give another chance for all his players.. and sometime they just didn’t change.. unluckily when Wenger want to sell them.. it was too late.. and no club want to bring them unless for very cheap or free..

    And I don’t see anything wrong with this wages scheme.. only the gap is too high.. 30k..60k..90k..120k..
    I think it should be 10k steps.. Start from 20k, 30k, 40k, 50k, …..120k.
    And also I suggest.. we must added bonus for every good performance or even every appearance or select to the team (18 players).. then players who contribute more will pay more..

  120. TotalArsenal says:

    AFC, the problem is that many of the players you mentioned cannot be sold. They simply earn too much in the current market, and they are on contracts. Some contracts are coming to an end, so we cannot sell them anyway, but at least there will be savings on salaries going forward. Others either become squad players again, or will go out on loan (often with us still subsidising their salaries). So little to no sales value to be expected and not as much savings on salaries either…

  121. AFC says:

    Hi henrychan, and thank you for commenting and glad you liked my article.

    The problem is that when Wenger sees that these players are not carrying their weight and not contributing to the team based on their wage packet he should sell them (although he has been trying to do this lately with no effect) or just simply release them.

    Regarding bonuses, I think this could backfire and make players more selfish. They could start to play for themselves so they look better than the rest of the team as opposed to playing for the team.

  122. AFC says:

    Thanks for clearing that up TA.

    So even if Wenger just released our deadwood players still at Arsenal today, in January we would not have saved much money?

  123. TotalArsenal says:

    Some contracts come to an end in a couple of months, so that is a saving. Others can be released but if nobody buys them, we will have to keep paying their salaries till the end of their contracts. 😦

  124. AFC says:

    Also what about other teams around the world like QPR who really need players and will pay high wages. Would they not take these players off our hands?

  125. Highbury Harmony says:

    AFC, as TA mentioned, we will not be able to sell most of our deadwood players. Bendtner, Chamakh, Djourou and Santos will prove difficult to sell, especially at their current wages. Arshavin, Fabianski and Squillaci cannot be sold as they are off the books at the end of the year anyway.

    Park and Denilson are the only ones that may have some value in sales since they are performing on loan and even then, we wouldn’t be earning much on their sales and would be happy to get their wages off the books. Mannone reportedly has some interested suitors in Italy, but again he wouldn’t command much in a transfer fee either, considering his lack of playing time.

  126. AFC says:

    Also TA, I did not know that. I thought once you released a player from his contract he was no longer your problem. Thanks for telling me that.

  127. TotalArsenal says:

    AFC, possibly, but I don’t think there is as much money in the game anymore, and those that want to spend such money have choice (QPR were able to get Samba and Remy; better options than Squilaci or Chamakh, or even Arshavin….)

    Also, the players need to want to go there: Arsenal cannot force them as long as they are under contract…

  128. Highbury Harmony says:

    AFC, why would QPR, a club that will likely not survive in the PL for next season, take on more inflated contracts? Despite overpaying in transfer fees and wages, QPR have largely still bought quality players, in comparison to the junk we’ve acquired and grudgingly kept over the years. QPR will be looking to sell a large chunk of their players and will have a difficult time doing so. Remy, Taarabt, Samba, Granero, Hoilett, Cesar, etc. will all be looking for new clubs at the end of the year, unless they can stave off the drop.

  129. Highbury Harmony says:

    Unfortunately, QPR may be stuck with overpaid deadwood themselves in Bosingwa, Cisse, Green, Park, etc.

  130. henrychan says:

    AFC.. Yes that also could happen.. but off course the system must create carefully and objectively.. Teamwork must rate very high.. just like our philoshopy in Victoria Concordia Cresit.. Victory base on Harmony/teamwork..

  131. TotalArsenal says:

    Sometimes a club is able to negotiate an arrangement with a player in which they basically buy out the contract (at a lower value than the total remaining contract salary value). The player gets a lump sum and can then sign up somewhere else. West Ham did it with Ljunberg, Chelsea with Bogarde (famously), Citeh with Adebarndoor. Not a cheap or attractive option though.

  132. Highbury Harmony says:

    TA, that is the agreement in place for Remy and Granero from my understanding.

  133. AFC says:

    Maybe Wenger might be looking to get Remy and Cesar on the cheap.

  134. TotalArsenal says:

    QPR took big, big risks, HH, and they will be stuck with an incredible wage bill for a long time if they fail to stay in the PL. I would my club not to be run like that, would you?

  135. TotalArsenal says:

    Out for a bit, catch you later guys.

    Ooh, and hi to HenryC hehehehe 😛

  136. Highbury Harmony says:

    TA, I don’t think any of us would like our club to be run in such a manner. However, inflated contracts that we have paid to useless players (or incorrectly utilized ones, pick your poison) have cost us for the past few years. This is why I asked the question of whether or not AW was astute or crafty enough in the transfer market to replace a like for a like, when the resources are now available.

    My short answer is that with slightly better financial resources at his disposal and learning from past mistakes, that he is better armed than ever to work proactively in the market in finding like for like replacements. However, he has a lot of work to do in replacing players who departed in the past. I believe AW replaced Cesc through the development of Wilshere (praying that his ankles are ok), Na$ri with Santi, Cole/Clichy with Gibbs/Monreal and he had hoped that Diaby would replace Vieira (I also hope that he can overcome his injury history).

    Noticeably absent from the aforementioned list of departed players yet to be replaced are Song, van Judas and Campbell. This directly correlates to the three positions that I believe AW needs to place as top priorities in this summer’s transfer market.

  137. Julian says:

    Nothing’s going to change until Wenger runs down his contract, so stop all this endless futile speculation and get back to your lives.

  138. AFC says:

    HH, Wenger will replace Song and Van Persie this summer even though I think Giroud and Podolski were meant to be his replacements. With Podolski needed at LW and Giroud our only out and out striker and still finding his way in English football he will buy another striker.

    Regarding Song he could not find a replacement in the summer and nearly got the replacement in january but did not have enough time to finalise it. I heard this player was Capoue.

    I only worry about Wenger buying a GK and a top quality CB that we so desperately need.

  139. Red Arse says:

    I am quite impressed with you guys. 🙂

    As a qualified accountant (on sick leave) I despair of the fans who see Falcao or Neymar or Cavani talked about as available for transfer and simply say ‘we should just go out and buy them – we have plenty of money’ et seq.

    Whereas, you fellas are saying ‘wait a minute, the cost doesn’t simply stop at the purchase price of the players contract’. (that is what is bought – not the player himself, or that would be slavery) 🙂

    The salaries have to be brought into the equation and written off over the length of the new contract. So, a £40m transfer + a £40m players salary over 4 years, is apportioned equally over the life of the contract, so £40m + £40m = £80m / 4 = £20m per annum for 4 years.

    But it does not stop there. it is quite common for players to negotiate ‘loyalty’ bonuses for staying for 4 years or not asking for another transfer out, and then there are additional costs which vary player by player related to the promotional work they may do for the club and so on. This may well add up to another £4m per annum * 4 = £16m on top of the initial outlay of £80m = £96m for a supposedly £40m player, and our £70m treasure chest looks a bit underwhelming.

    Anyway, as I said, above, it is good that you all realize what is at stake and are discussing it!! 🙂 Now those who say we should buy 3 players costing £70m in total, because that is (apparently) what the club have available, are really asking for something north of £160m when salaries, bonuses and promotional activities are taken into account.

    Expensive business, this buying players malarkey, unless, of course, you were funded by a Russian oligarch or a Sheikh oiligarch — poor old Wenger — he just takes the blame! Tsssk!

  140. Red Arse says:

    There I was complimenting you guys, and up pops Julian the ‘one line hit and run merchant’ with his idiotic nonsense and spoils it all. Bollocks!!

  141. glic says:

    Evening Splooge Spiegel`s 😆

    Come on Redders !. Julian did manage two line`s before his husband interrupted with a call….” Tea bagging`s ready Julian ! ” . hahaha

  142. Julian says:

    TotalArsenal I’ve noticed you have a propensity for banning people who hold views contrary to your own.

  143. Red Arse says:

    Even Glicfondler 🙂

  144. Red Arse says:

    Total Arsenal is not here at the mo’ Julian, Glic is in charge!

    No one gets banned for holding any views. There are bloggers on here with very different viewpoints. What none of us can take seriously is moronic one liners giving us unasked for advice.

    Flesh out your own views and you will be welcome, whatever stance you take.

  145. glic says:

    Evening Redders my favourite “Septic” !. 😆

    I should apolologise to Julian, I normally use such comments in an endearing manner to my BK buddies, so you should feel honoured !. hahaha

  146. Julian says:

    One liners or no one liners the point is you censor people.

  147. glic says:

    Well said Redders, we could do with a ” Spectrum” on here to spice thing`s up !. hahaha

  148. glic says:

    Julian, I may be wrong and I will be corrected if I am. I`ve been on BK nearly from the start and I cant recall anyone being censored.
    Saying that, this site could be a front for an evil Bond type villain who wants to take over the Arsenal world and Total van Klompenevilstein is watching you on one of his many monitors whilst stroking his pussy !. hahaha

  149. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Why would any one censor you julian? You strike me as delightful. hahaha

  150. Highbury Harmony says:

    Julian, there’s nothing to censor, aside from the fact that as sad as you may believe our speculation is, what you’re doing is much worse. You spend your time reading our speculation then speculate that it’s a waste of time. Perhaps you should get back to your life!

  151. glic says:

    Dont fight us Julian , you know it makes sense to join in with us and have a laugh !

    Terry doesn`t want to censor you….he wants you as a target for his splooge seeking trained racing pigeons ! ” hahaha

  152. Red Arse says:

    Earth calling Julian,

    The owner of this site has done a bunk leaving Glic as the only responsible person — god ‘elp us — so on what do you base your baseless comment about censorship?

    You are still around so obviously you have not been banned or binned.

    What’s your beef exactly, or it just more vague innuendo?

  153. Julian says:

    You Wengerites just don’t get it, the man has shot his bolt.

  154. glic says:

    Hahaha Redders, I`ve been sentenced………sorry…… married for 37 years and I`m still waiting for the missus to say I`m a responsible person !.

  155. Red Arse says:

    Oh Gosh,

    There must be something wrong with the censorship button that does not exist, because Julian and his moronic one liners is back, again, and again.

    Now he is calling us names and saying we haven’t got it – don’t know about you guys but I’ve got mine, thank you.

    What’s worse he seems to know more about Wenger’s sexual proclivities than I want to hear. Shot his bolt indeed – I thought that was Terry’s domain!

  156. TotalArsenal says:

    Julian was previously Mario and Bobby. I have censored him because he does not listen and keeps doing what he has been doing all the time. He is trying to wind people up with his one liners with no attempt to blog in a meaningful way. Life is too short and I run this blog with the idea of meaningful dialogue and good banter, which does not exclude opposing views at all.

    Julian if you want to blog on Bergkampesque, you are welcome but only in a meaningful way. Passive aggressive one liners only intended to wind people up will be banned time and again.

  157. Red Arse says:

    You be careful, Glicster, or we will have to non-censor you with the non-censor button for using the word ‘missus’.

  158. glic says:

    Julian are you aka bobby ?.

  159. Julian says:

    You can ban me now for desecrating the great sacred cow or should that be frog. hahaha

  160. glic says:

    Bond villain Totes has already cofirmed what I thought !. hahaha

  161. Red Arse says:

    Oh mi gawd, the boss is back.

    Now Mario did seem a little thick – God Bless, and bobby seemed to be an argumentative dipstick, and now up he pops as ‘helloooo, my name is Julian’ and fluttering his eyes at Glic!

    So, to be clear, it is not Mario-bobby-hellocallmeJulian who is banned, it’s his inane and very boring one line crap that’s binned.

    I’m OK with that!! 😀

  162. glic says:

    It`s contagious, I`ve caught what Julian/Mario/Bobby has got….I`m doing one liners ! hahaha

  163. Gerry says:

    Damn it Bobby/Julian where’s my lesson’s in all things Arsenal eh?

  164. glic says:

    You`ve been infected aswell Gerry !. hahaha

  165. Gerry says:

    Hey, there must be some censorship going on here, he’s not answering?

  166. Red Arse says:

    I’m with Mario-bobby-callmeJules — the boss just stuck me into moderation too.
    You are right Glicmonster, The Clog is taking over the world!!

  167. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Are you telling me TA, that this guy has changed his name twice so he can come here and post one line comments?

    If this is true, then bobby,mario,julien, do you self a favour and stop. I am not joking hear or trying to wind you up, this kind of behaviour is very unhealthy

    If your a teenager then i can understand it, my daughter gets into silly spats online all the time, but this site is not for you

  168. Gerry says:

    S*d it! Another one-liner … and another … where will it end … aaargh!

  169. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    F*uck, ive been censored now

  170. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Forgot to take the u out again, sorry Gerry. hahaha

  171. Red Arse says:

    mmmmm help mmmmmm the Clog has got meeeeeeee I am mmmmmmm stuck in mmmmmm the bloody bin with mario-bobby-callme jules-Irather like you mmmmmmmm!!!!

  172. Red Arse says:

    Well as I have been bin banned and ….. no I won’t go there — I’m off until I mend my evil ways!! Ta ra, oh cruel BK.

  173. Red Arse says:

    My dear Clogger, you have let my 18;58 through, but what about my previous two??

    Revolt fellow BKers, let’s debag the Clog!!

  174. Gerry says:

    Evening all, Yes just a brief stop over while I drink my coffee.

    Splendid response to AFC’s post. Who said the interlull would be boring?

    Lots of stuff appearing on potential transfers too. The Everton match is on TV too, terrestrial, I assume?

    There must be an interlull footie match happening sometime too. Perhaps we should run a raffle to see in what minute our player(s) get injured?

  175. Julian says:

    My views are lucid and concise not rambling monologues.

  176. glic says:

    Cant Booby/Julian/Mario come back next time as a woman !. We need a woman`s touch on here !.
    A BK woman gooners open day is needed, me and Stretch will conduct the interviews !. Be at the Arsenal Tavern Saturday week !. We will bring along TOWIZ ( aka uncle albert ), so his carers can have some respite !.

  177. Gerry says:

    I would comment on the over use of ‘too’, but it would be a one-liner ha ha

    Terry – glad you failed to follow my suggestion?

  178. Gerry says:

    Julian, they may be concise, but opinions have to be backed up?

  179. glic says:

    I think BK has gone into DEFCON 1 moderation meltdown and my bubble wrap Y-fronts are popping all over the place !. hahaha

  180. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Forget about that Gerry, give us a tip for the racing. I have an ex wife and an estranged wife fleecing me. If i lose, F*uck (hahaha) it. Nothing can be worse than this.

  181. Gerry says:

    glic – I hope Mrs glic isthere with the extinguisher, I hate smell of burning plastic … and the wind is coming my way. Quick! Fire! Fire!

  182. glic says:

    No extinguisher Gerry, it`s either the rolling pin or the cast iron frying pan !. what do you think ? any preference !.

  183. Gerry says:

    I shall be reviewing the Donny card tomorrow night, when the racing begins on the turf this Friday. Early season is a dodgy time after a wet start to the year, so some horses are likely to be fitter than others.

    However, if I spot anything I’ll put it up on Thursday evening, along with my blog line … but as that is not Arsenal related, I shall have to ask Totes permission, naturally?

    Peter O’Sullivan commented once by saying ‘The only way to make a small fortune out of racing is to start off with a big fortune’

    Be warned!

  184. Julian says:

    8 barren years and counting is that what you mean by back up.

  185. Gerry says:

    glic -I think I’ll leave that to the person wielding it?

  186. Gerry says:

    Julien, you are engaging in conversation, that is a start.

    If you are just saying that AW’s time over those 8 years is measured solely by our trophy cabinet, then you could be said to have a point. 16 years, and counting, in the Cl, a new stadium, that will give the future manager of Arsenal, whenever that is, the base for more success, on all fronts. Managing that at the period of recession, and oil money changing the face of football, then others might differ?

  187. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Nice one Gerry. A 100 to 1 winner would be great. hahaha

  188. Gerry says:

    Sorry chaps, I’ve had more than my alloted coffee break time, so I am off to June 2012, when the fine early spell of weather turned wet ….

  189. Julian says:

    You just can’t let go you’re still giving Wenger the benefit of the doubt.

  190. glic says:

    Adrian Durham had a 50/1( I think ) winner at Cheltenham ….carrick something….he bet on it because he is always bigging up Michael Carrick !. So if there`s a horse called Arsene, Arsenal, Isco etc`, then let us know Gerry !.
    If there`s one called ….Combe over, syrup, telescope, stretch etc`, let Terry know !.
    If there`s one called Zimmer, TOWIZ, colostomy, old c**t etc, tell Vic`s carer !. hahaha

  191. glic says:

    If anyone`s earned the ” benefit of doubt “, it`s Le Boss !.

  192. Julian says:

    I’m having a break, if you don’t hear from me TotalArsenal has banned me.

  193. Highbury Harmony says:

    Good riddance. Must be very exhausting typing that much!

  194. AFC says:

    Just to say a final thank you to everyone who took their personal time to comment on my article with great in depth analysis of the topic (even Julian aka Bobby and Mario).

    It is much appreciated!

  195. Bobby Sure says:

    @AFC

    Just about the mata point – mata was always going to go to chelsea because of torres. Doesnt matter if we offered competitive wages, he was always going to pick chelsea. I believe wenger was never really that keen on him anyway. If he was, he would have tried to wrap the deal up early on, like he did with santi, rosicky and just about every other long term target. He kind of panicked, realised we were losing key players and knew mata was a good player so why not try. But he was never going to roll out the red carpet. If we had mata theres a good chance we would have no santi. I think santi is a better player personally.

    You are kind of indirectly saying “lets buy falcao”. Because which players in world football truly demand that kind of wage. We wouldnt be interested in signing the 150 thousand pound a week player. And its not because the wage structure wont allow it, its because wenger only has interest in a very specific kind of player. I dont think any of the current squad warrant that kind of money anyway. The socialist model does kind of work because we are a team without superstars. We actually have a bunch of players around about the same level.

  196. AFC says:

    Bobby Sure, when I was talking about signig players for the wages of around £140 000 I was not referring to Falcao. He will probably go to City and get wages closer to the £200 000 mark.

    I do not want Wenger to spend 40-50 mill on one players. I just want Wenger to buy young quality players and we have missed out on so many because we have refused to offer them an extra £30 000- £40 000.

    Even Sneijder, we could have signed him from Milan for around 8 mill but his wages were to high for us. He is now at Gala with Drogba and getting paid wages of £120 000. I hope you see my point.

  197. TotalArsenal says:

    Apologies guys, I have no idea why the comments of RA, Terry and Glic, etc did not come through directly and needed to be approved. 😕

  198. oz gunner says:

    @ RA

    what is this wage thing you speak of? Don’t they just play purely for the joy of it?

    Denilson never played like he was paid!

    Cavini 40mil, Hummels 17.5, Wanyama 12.5 = 70 million War chest complete, problems solved! Wages consist of Arsenal shares similar to the ones Man United concocted

  199. Highbury Harmony says:

    Oz that is 70 mil before wages though my friend! Not to mention that Napoli have no reason to sell Cavani and will want a fee closer to his £52mil buy-out clause 😉

  200. oz gunner says:

    @ HH

    no the wages are there, just Arsenal shares that have nothing to do with club ownership (just don’t tell them that!) 🙂

    And I had to fit in all 3 players somehow, so for that reason Napoli were just being extra nice!

  201. AFC says:

    Also oz gunner, TA has explained to me that we will get hardly any money from the sales of our deadwood, so we cannot use any money from the sale of our deadwood for wages of any new players.

  202. Rohan says:

    Ozgunner – in the politest way possible – i’m not sure if the second part of your message is a joke. Kroenke would never do anything that would dilate the value of his share of the club.Don’t expect to see a Cavani or Hummels, but maybe a Right Back, and definitely a CDM like Wanyama. Not sure about the reports linking us to a keeper, but i think it’ll hinge massively on Fabianski’s performances.

  203. Rohan says:

    AFC, we will get a lot of freed-up wages from the departures of squillaci, arshavin, etc.

  204. TotalArsenal says:

    AFC, what a great number and quality of comments you have produced today. Top stuff, and I am hoping this is the first of many more posts on BK from you! 🙂

  205. TotalArsenal says:

    New Post New Post 🙂

  206. AFC says:

    Rohan, I think Wenger will buy a GK, CB, RB (only if Sagna leaves), DM and ST.

    I want Cesar from QPR for keeper. Cheap and experienced. I heard Fab contract ends at the end of the season and will not be renewed (like other deadwood).

    I can see the CB being the defender from Bilbao on a free.

    DM could be Capoue. It is said that he was the DM Wenger was very close to finalising a deal for in January.

    Not sure about ST. Many people say Jovetic.

  207. Rohan says:

    AFC, i’m actually concerned that we’ll sign that many players, I wrote an article on my blog a couple of weeks ago about how more than three signings in pre-season tends to result in a poorer performances. Out of the years that i’ve looked at -Over 12 seasons back – only two teams that have managed to win the league did so signing more than three players – Chelsea 05 and Man City last season – and those were both as a result of ridiculous spending and a little good fortune.Given that we are supposed to be spending to compete for league titles next season, we should limit the number of our purchases.

  208. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Rohan, we have moved to a new post. I have copied your document over so AFC and others can read it and respond to it.

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