Torture Window: Should Arsenal rethink their Transfer Policy?

Arsene under Torture Window pressure?

Arsene under Torture Window pressure?

Arsenal is one of the, if not the most, frustrating clubs to support when it comes to transfers. This is something that is not at all hinged on our financial position all the time, as is becoming clear during this transfer window.

Admittedly I do not know the nitty-gritty of how transfers work in terms of who plays what role or the actual process of a transfer (except the aspects that we are all familiar with), however, I do know a few things. The club has scouts who identify potential targets (a job that is mostly done by Wenger when a top player is in question). I also know that Wenger has complete control over who we sign and how much money is spent, with the exception of a scenario where it is a big money transfer in which case the board must sanction the release of these funds. Finally, I know that Dick Law heads the team that negotiates transfer fees and contracts once a player is identified and Wenger gives the go ahead to chase him.

That said, it is obvious that there is something that throws a spanner in the works in every transfer that has even the slightest complication. I recently read an article that suggested that the main reason why Arsenal transfers are so complicated is because Arsene Wenger is notoriously indecisive. I am inclined to believe them. When Arsenal were chasing Juan Mata, the transfer had reached a point where Arsenal and Valencia had agreed a fee of 17 million pounds, and all that was left was for the club to sit down with Mata and agree contractual logistics. However Wenger changed his mind and dilly-dallied allowing Chelsea to swoop.

I know this for a fact, because months later (after he had signed for Chelsea) Mata was asked about the transfer to Arsenal and he said that he didn’t know what happened because as far as he was concerned, he was hours away from being a Gunner. He explained that once Valencia allowed him to talk to us, he waited by the phone for Arsene’s call to arrange contractual negotiations; a call that never came.

More or less the same thing happened with Yann M’vila where everything was agreed only for Arsene to change his mind citing disciplinary concerns. Given that Wenger is notoriously private about transfers, those are the only two examples I can give but I am sure they aren’t the only ones. This gives an indication that Wenger tends to over think every single detail to a point that it begins to work against us. Maybe it would be more beneficial if, at the beginning of a window, Arsene would give his wish-list and lets the club pursue them.

Another fault that we have during transfers is that apparently we can’t multitask. Let me explain. Right now we are chasing a striker, a DM, a keeper and a defender. We even have names of players that we would like to see fill those positions. However for the past 2 months we have been firmly fixated on bringing in a striker (Higuain and (or) Suarez to be precise) and for the time being, have put these other positions on the back burner.

Real Madrid have put us in this position by employing dirty tactics as they keep raising Higuain’s price but still, while we wait for that to pan out, we could have signed Wanyama and Cesar already. Wanyama told me personally that he waited for us to make a move until it reached a point where he wasn’t sure whether we were interested anymore, so he moved to Southampton instead.

Cesar is trying his best to hold off any transfer while he waits for us to make our minds up but that will only last for so long.

Think of it this way: yes, Real have really stalled our plans to bring in a striker but that shouldn’t affect other transfers. Southampton completed the Wanyama transfer in half a week. Given the current circumstances, it would take even less time to sign Cesar. It was reported that Fellaini is willing to join us and is waiting for us to open negotiations. Ideally, by now we should have most if not all other target transfers tied in a bow and then focus our efforts on the complicated ones, which is bringing in the strikers, not the other way round.

The more we wait the more of our targets get snapped up and derail our plans further leading to the famous last minute deals which more often than not backfire.

Maybe a change of tact is what we need, so as to eliminate these sleepless nights we Gooners spend monitoring transfer stories to see if Wenger will come good on his promises. Oh what it is to be a gooner!!!

Written by: Marcus

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245 Responses to Torture Window: Should Arsenal rethink their Transfer Policy?

  1. arsenal-steve says:

    I think this is a really good article Marcus and perhaps is the clearest indication that Wenger has a mental health issue…OCD over money. I’m writing this sincerely and both your examples are showing how Wengers issues are affecting the club and having a great impact on the fans. It is clear that the whole management structure and board cannot cope with more than one thing at a time and this is being supported by whispers inside the club by disgrunteled employees. All is not well in our beloved Islington club. This all begs the question. What can anybody do to change this? Without the supporter and players making a noise…nothing. Both players and fans alike constantly encourage Wenger to elevate the team with signings, but he CAN’T. He is tortured, in my opinion, by a very serious obsession. He is ill. Rooney, Jovetic, Capoue, Fellaini, Bernard, Suarez, Higuain, Williams, Caesar. You would think he could have bough one or two. We know Capoue, Williams, Bernard and Caesar are available. He CAN’T. Yet with our three best players, Fabregas, the Gollum Nasri and Robin Van Persie he was too weak to refuse the money. He had to take the money. OCD over money. He needs therapy or to leave. If not our club will bathe in mediocrity until his old age intervenes.

  2. TotalArsenal says:

    Hahaha Arsenal-Steve ‘OCD over money’: a very interesting theory! 🙂

  3. alexgunners says:

    Marcus,
    Great article indeed. With your personal insight over Wanyama, it really does show how lax we are over transfers and perhaps lose players over indecision and time wasting.
    It’s almost a mentality of, “If they want to join us, they will hold out for us regardless of how long we take”.

    Good examples of how we lost Wanyama, and also Mata. What a difference Mata would have made to our squad with the departure of Cesc. We are simply too slow. I expresses my concern over transfers before the Asia Tour. I said that we would not sign anyone until a week before the PL starts due to AW not being around to somewhat approve the transfers.

    Last season I thought that we were pro-active in buying players early and giving them a little more time to settle but of course as it stands now any new possible additions to our squad will have little to no time to settle in prior to the premier league.

    Walcott, Per and Zorro have all reiterated the importance of an good start to the season and im afraid that any changes may cause some setbacks to our start.

    Great work by the way

  4. Marcus says:

    Arsenal-steve,
    You could be on to something there. Mild form of OCD maybe? He looks at the player, establishes his ability. Looks at what the team needs or what he could bring to the team and then looks at the player again. He then looks at his age, physique and physical attributes. Then he waits a season to check consistency. He then inquires about the player and if given a price goes and does a complete cost-benefit analysis over time. Once he does that, he looks at the player again. Then he haggles over the price even if he feels that its a fair one. Then looks at the player again, this time considering his full lifestyle, on and off field. When he feels satisfied he sanctions the transfer meanwhile, looking at the player yet again.

    If that’s not OCD, I don’t know what is.

  5. Marcus says:

    Alexgunners,
    Arsene will only be proactive when his back is against the wall. Which is a very frustrating trait.
    Thanks by the way.

  6. TotalArsenal says:

    Marcus 🙂

    Thanks for a fine post about a topic we have all been thinking about.

    How come Arsenal were so decisive last season, with early acquisitions of the Pod and OG, and now be so slow?

    I cannot deny frustration at the lack of progress this summer. But I reckon we have the squad to start the season well, and any new signings don’t need to be bedded in straight away. So there is time, and we should only judge whether this TW has been successful or not when it is finished.

    The problem is that the TW is just one big black box: we don’t really know what goes in, or what happens inside, and we only know what comes out, if and when it is announced on Arsenal.com.

    Gunning for the established stars is a different ball game altogether and you could be right that Arsene’s apparent indecisive nature might be holding us back from grabbing the big boys at the moment. It could also be that the players do not have us at the top of their lists and their clubs are in a position to play power games with us. Maybe it is a combination of it all.

    Unlike many, I am not too worried right now, despite the frustration. It would be good for the fans and the players if we had signed a quality player (or two) by now, but we just have to wait and see what will happen. Not much else to do, I am afraid.

  7. TotalArsenal says:

    Back in a couple of hours 🙂

  8. alexgunners says:

    TA,

    Good points but without a doubt it is an extremely frustrating time for all us Gooners. There is nothing any of us can do but lets just hope that the right things are being done to strengthen our squad.
    We had a great finish to last season, losing only to the spuds but we are all tend to agree that we do need additions to our squad despite the current morale and team harmony in our squad.
    All i am asking for is a couple of additions sooner rather than later to help stabilise our squad.

    If we go back to the source of our frustrations this off season so far is Ivan Gazidis stating that we have a war chest to spend on any players that we want. So far this has not happened which leads to us being somewhat disgruntled by the lack of activity (or perceived activity) as we do not know what happens behind the scenes

  9. Marcus says:

    TA,
    I have a feeling Arsene knew well in advance that RVP was leaving. I mean they met first then RVP released his statement of intent to leave. He knew that making this signings early would sort of cushion a bit of the backlash.
    And I have reached a point where I do not check transfers everyday. I’ve decided that we will sign players when we do so until then I’ve made it none of my business.

  10. jgc says:

    Marcus,

    Excellent points… Interestingly, I think this is perhaps where the loved/reviled Dein “completed” Arsene. He added the, new made up word here, decisicivity, which I use to mean decisive get it done after the real decision is made. Ie he gave Arsene some steel.

    IMO, it’s not OCD, though frugality or my preferred “value concious” is evident. I think it’s micro-managing. Works great in building a team of many parts into a well oiled unit and is what’s likely kept us top 3-4 for awhile, BUT, is horrible in fast paced, multiple decisions scenarios…

    Just my 2p — jgc

  11. Sahoo says:

    Fine article. Really frustrated with the way things have panned out so far in the transfer window. In our chase for a striker we should not forget other positions which need reinforcement. The only good thing that has happened is the all the dead wood we’ve managed to do away with so far.

    But, yes it is currently extremely frustrating to be a Gunner fan at this moment.

    Sahoo

  12. Marcus says:

    JGC,
    you make good points..

  13. Flexzy says:

    Sometimes I wonder if we are actually gona sign anybody. I am tired of stories and I am getting sick of following transfer stories.

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  15. Marcus says:

    Flexzy,
    We are all with you mate, that why I wrote this article.

  16. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Err, no Marcus, we do not all share the same frustration.

    The context of your post reads like a whine, moan fest simply becuase your appetite for transfers has not been met. This is not personal, because you are not alone, far from it. Probably the majority of people are as frustrated as you.

    There is much speculation in your post Marcus, and some of it may have basis in reality.Perhapes Arsene is to cautious and the club lacks the devil may care risk approach needed to procure players

    But i tend to stick with what i know. The whole premise of transfers is centered around money.. In the last several years the club has spent money, it has essentialy broken even

    We have lost and bought players in a very testing envoirement, but contaray to popular belief we have been active.

    Now we are in a stronger position. New commercial deals have given us funds which make it possible to not only assist in keeping the squad together, but also to purchase players without selling first.

    We are still in July, no were near the deadline. I fully expect Arsenal to make every effort to improve the squad, i believe we are doing this already.

    Transfers excite peolpe, i understand that. However, jumping to pre mature conclusions, and allowing unwarranted frustation and angst get the better of you is unseemly and in my view misplaced.

  17. Marcus says:

    Terry,
    True, however note that when we bring in players closer to the season’s premier, they may need time to adjust and might disrupt the bright start we desperately need if we are going to challenge for this season’s title.

  18. AFC says:

    Hi guys, been away be for a while. Glad to be back.

    Just read an article in the Mirror that Kos is also out with a minor injury. And that is why if we wanted Williams we should have just offered the 12 million Swansea want, offered the Swans 10 million and a player like Bendtner (although this would been very hard due to the wages of our ‘deadwood’ and where they want to play or move onto different targets. If we had done that our new CB could have been training with Mert and the defence.

  19. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I agree with that Marcus, idealy all ou business would have already been concluded.

    However, signing established players is fraught with difficulties. We are not the only ones who will be finalsing deals near the deadline

    The transfer market is essentialy a market place, and as any one knows aboout markets, most deals are completed near the end as the pressure on buyer and seller ramps up

    Look Marcus, i enjoy reading your posts and the reality is we both want the same thing, to see an Arsenal team capable of winning

    But what i would say to you my friend is that we should base our conclusions at the end of the cycle, not half way through.

    If we purchase no one, and i do believe we need players, then we can disect the reasons then.

    And probably still disagree. hahaha

  20. AFC says:

    So it seems we are telling Cesar to take a pay cut from around 45k a week to 30k a week. Really? Why should a experienced GK like Cesar who has wons trophies all around the world at club and international level, played well for QPR last season, no.1 GK for Brazil take a pay cut especially when he is only on 45k a week. That’s an insult to Cesar, like playing for us is a dream. I really hope this is not true and if it is I hope Wenger doesn’t mess it up.

    http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/20/arsenal-tell-julio-cesar-he-must-take-a-pay-cut-to-complete-gunners-move-3891199/

  21. AFC says:

    * won

  22. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    AFC, i have missed your spelling corrections hahaha. I never notice them but have now developed a compulsion of reading back to see what you are correcting.

    Come to think of it, all this talk of OCD has made me realise that you have inadvertantlly turned me into an OCD sufferer. hahaha

  23. AFC says:

    hahaha, Terry. 😀

    I understand signing a DM and ST will be very hard but we should have signed a GK and CB weeks ago. If we do not make good enough/sufficient signing I will have to follow HH.

  24. AFC says:

    * signings

    I really must be an OCD sufferer. 😀

  25. frustrated gooner says:

    Well done Marcus, Great topic….
    Makes a change from the fantasy football team thats normally on this site.
    My opinion on this subject is that arsenal are and have been a money motivated club since the new joint owners (share holder’s) took over.
    As long as they are making millions without
    Spending them they will be happy with 4th spot.
    As for arsenal’s transfer issues, it is simply the case of spending without spending.(lol).
    The false intent to spend is there to trick the fans but the real intent is to under bid & keep the moneys in the bank.
    As for the mata case…. it must have been a case of… “oh f##k they accepted our bid… what are we gonna do now?…… I know….
    we will just ignore the player”
    great stuff Mr wenger…… and by the way…..
    Who are we selling this year?

  26. Gerry says:

    Marcus – Alas I don’t think this is your finest hour either. Sorry. I agree on some of what TMHT has said above.

    However, the examples you chose tend towards what you think happened, but you are saying it as fact?

    Mata transfer. Do you not think for one minute Chelsea did not have scouts out and about, and Mata’s agent would not freely talk to them no matter how close we were to agreeing on a fee? One phrase ‘We can give you better terms’ from them, and at that time, we were scuppered.

    M’Villa – He was facing an assault charge as I recall, not to mention that fracas with the French National team? Something very dear to AW’s heart, so he was hardly going to reward the player with spot with a top club was he?

    So on to the multi tasking. Thing thing you are missing out of your rather simplistic equation is the size of our overall budget?

    If he could have got Higuain fro £23m then, yes, these other transfers would not be a problem to occur more or less simultaneously, But once it went from, £30m to £35 to £37M, well it most definitely does? £35m is half of our reported ‘war chest’. The only reason I can see that we can go £40m for Saurexz is because it would not entail the immediate need for a second striker. Mind, I think it will take £45m to get him, but whether that comes with add ons is another matter.

    So then we come on to Wanyama. More likely scenario there was that the Club were not prepared to deal with his agent, or Celtic were not prepared to deal with us? Or both?

    Cesar, despite glic pointing out the great savings made from the players that have left re wages, we still have not got a fee. Gerv might bring in a fee, but still showing a loss on purchase. Unless Ncky B is going to be our latest LANS, then nothing incoming there either?
    We are negotiating our biggest transfer deal ever, and Harry wants a bigger fee(bigger than 1.5m?), and the guy himself is looking for £100k a week? For crying out loud, we only want a back up. Give Fab £90k and no fee and we can tell them both to go forth and multiply!

    So like I say Marcus, I think on this occasion you have been a little too much on the personal view, and less on the balance of possibilities.

    Strangely enough, my last comment on the previous blog also mentioned a change of strategy, but, if it is still on my computer ‘copy’, I will paste below.

  27. Gerry says:

    TA – Yes, I should have added -when others ..’ I know it it was not your good self. Sorry

    I glad you reiterated the point I made re ‘game changers’, so I am glad we agree on that.

    I see we are down a GK and only 1 main CB – Thank heaven Per is made of tough stuff?.

    I guess there will be a shift on the emphasis for a new CB? They don’t think Szcz will be out fort long. I know I did my back in after a coach journey, long delay, 2 hour+ flight, another delay, and another coach journey .. before getting a proper lie down. Let’s hope it is not too serious, eh?

    Mind, it puts Fabianski in a good position for getting a new contract – cheaper than Cesar, I would guess?

    As for CB, there was a name on Dylan’s list, but I think AW needs a change in strategy. The idea of putting in a ‘cheeky’ low bid just to start the ball rolling, simply allows the selling club to announce it, and invite better offers. If we seriously offered £8m for Gustavo we don’t deserve to get him. Now the starting bid is £15m and likely to get closer to the £25m I thought he might go for? The pattern seems to be repeating itself at nearly every turn. Another example is Higuain. We are not in a cash avaiable better position than Napoli now, so even a late matching bid may not be enough? Wheras, an earlier one might have sealed it. However, there is still Chelsea to complicate matters?

    Much as I think Saurez is an ideal fit, in the footballing sense, The £40m+ it might take to get him will seriously limit the quality we can then afford for a CB and DM?

    If we do get Saurez, I do think he will have to explain his behaviour to our entire squad, including the juniors. If he can be successful in getting their full support then that should be good enough for those that think it tarnishes our good name. Far better he redeem himself here, and if the club are seen to be helping in that regard, it will all put to one side an he can let his football do the talking?

  28. AFC says:

    Gerry, please read my comment regarding Cesar and click on the link.

  29. Gerry says:

    AFC – Ooops, I think I have scored an OG?

    I have to admit I was going on memory from when he signed, and I thought it was way higher than that. Perhaps the bonuses if they had stayed up were included then, now we are back to basic salary? Still seems on the low side even for a 33 year old goalie?

    I still think the fee and wages are why we want to trim it. Any idea what Fab and Szcz are on?

  30. AFC says:

    Marcus, fine post. 🙂

    Hopefully Wenger will prove us all wrong and buy big. What Wenger has to do is continue to buy big in future transfer windows. You see if Wenger brings in a GK, CB, DM, ST and maybe an AM we might win a cup and come close to winning the league or even win the league next seasin the job will not be done. Gervinho, Giroud etc. will have to be moved on so we can make a stand in Europe and challenge for the league regularly.

  31. AFC says:

    * season

    I think Szez and Fab are on wages under 60k. Not sure.

    Harry just wants to get rid of Cesar. A fee of 1.5-3.0 million should be enough. Surely 45k a week is a fair wage for Cesar.

  32. Marcus says:

    Terry,
    You’re right. I even began my post with the admission that I am not fully versed on how transfers actually work so there are things that go on (technicalities) that I have no notion about.

  33. 17highburyterrace says:

    Hey boys…Welcome back AFC. Where were you?…(On holiday, I hope…)

    Personally, compared to your last one (which seemed pure fantasy), I like this post a lot, Marcus. Usually I don’t go in for articles that speculate on AW and his psychology but this one seems fairly mild and respectable. The bigger issue is that we’re so dependent on the one man. It works for me. He IS the story and I hope and pray that he can write a good final chapter. The statements about “money to spend,” which we assume AW endorses, just put soooooo much pressure on the man… Of course we’re going to speculate and try and decipher WTF is happening. Expectations have been raised, so why not? With nothing happening we’ll also be psychoanalyzing…

    The thing is that everybody brings such a different perspective to their viewing of Arsenal. It is sport, after all, which is typically seen (by some) as a respite for the relentless grind of daily life. If you’re beaten down in your personal world, having a pint (or three) and watching your team do a little beating of its own can be quite a tonic. Others just enjoy watching and evaluating and discussing (endlessly…) the boys and their play. AW doesn’t have the luxury to be able to do this sort of stuff. It’s all about the future and the team is HIS grind.

    Additionally (nowadays), we have supporters who hardly watch the matches but (like a manager, kind of…) are always focused on the future–on transfers and how our team could (italics) look. Arsenal have money (we’re told) so it becomes more important (for many) to think about who (from all of world football) we can plug into the holes which are (oh so) apparent in our squad. I think this is especially true amongst Arsenal supporters as we’ve been stuck in a water-treading mode for so long. We’re on the edge of being truly competitive with the biggest clubs in the world but clearly not there yet. The future is bright–if we spend our money–so we play the fantasy game. How many Arsenal blogs (and comment writers) are there? We generate so much speculation and with it, expectation. This blog, with its optimistic bent, is maybe the poster child of this sort of “support.”

    It’s not the worst way to market a club (or “brand”) but it’s not the world in which AW operates. He has to build a squad AND foster its confidence AND (then) get results. As such, why shouldn’t he be (very) worried about who (exactly) comes in AND what they cost?–both in transfers (with big numbers spread across the headlines and going to clubs who must be considered rivals…) and in salaries, the measure by which players compare themselves to each other and (with agents and entourages whispering in their ears) feel appreciated, loved or the opposite. Buying an Arshavin may satisfy the fans gathered outside the stadium on 31 January, but paying him our top salary while he produces nothing (for the final 3 years of his 4 year contract) is like a burning sore in the manager’s nether regions. With this in mind, I’ve gotta feel that certain rumours about giant money for iffy players (Suarez, Rooney, etc.) must be lies. Of course, as always, WTF do I know?…

    So, I have sympathy for the central character in the story but I still feel that we (the support) should get some better communication. At this point (unlike last season with the early–and obvious–RvP replacements…) I have to assume that we will not be getting players meant to help with the start of the season. Oh well. The squad did what they had to do last season and the schedule starting out is manageable. Additionally, we’re not losing our best players this time around so we should (italics) be OK. If AW can get in some guys (even at the deadline) who will help us over the 2nd half of the season and in seasons to come, I will be ecstatic.

    But that’s just me, and, of course, like the length of my comments (which are my therapy for supporting this excruciating club in this unsatisfying time…) I’m in it for the long haul… 😀

  34. Marcus says:

    Frustrated gooner,
    Thanks, although let me remind you that this blog isn’t a media one. You can write whatever you feel like about Arsenal be it what is actually going on or whatever you’d like to happen as long as you adhere to the guidelines set out by TA.

    You could even air some of your frustrations on here if you wanted to.. 🙂

  35. AFC says:

    17ht, I only wanted to take a break from blogging for a couple of weeks but I then had to deal with family issues which is why the break was longer than intended. I will be meeting up with family during the summer so there will be more busy periods for me.

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  37. jgc says:

    Marcus

    Terry and Gerry do have one point, transfer markets are essentially auctions. Thus, they typically end nearer the end than the beginning which allows the max price. This doesn’t happen only when one or more of the following are true (IMO, subject to correction by others):

    A. What you have, the player, is not too valuable either by skill or by lots being available (mid level players often)

    B, You desperately need the money ny money (Malaga and some Spanish clubs?) or you won’t it so you can make your own offers

    C. Someone offers you what you think is end of auction money to just be done with it or to make a statement, ie they re desperate or an oiler (Jovetic this year? Cavani almost certainly IMO)

    I think Higuain is the classic example, we started at 18, RM said wait for Ancellotti, some others nosed about, we went to 20, RM nope he’s not for sale, few more nosed, we went to 23, … And so on… Now we are t what? 30-35?? Good business that… For RM and for ulcer docs in North London, Kenya and elsewhere… 🙂

    HOWEVER, I do think you’re right that Arsene seems less aggressive than before or not able to “finish” tho that said, Poldi and OG came relatively early last year tho I also think they fit under “a” in their teams minds at least..

    Just a few p … Cheers — jgc

  38. Marcus says:

    Gerry,
    On the Mata transfer, I am trying to locate that particular interview where he himself admitted that he has no clue what happened between the time when we had actually agreed a transfer fee with Valencia and he had been given permission to negotiate a contract and when Chelsea stepped in but what is obvious is that had it not been for Wenger’s indecision he’d be at AFC. The part where I said he was hours away from being a gunner, I am actually quoting him.

    On the M’vila transfer, I am not disputing that he did and still does have disciplinary issues. My problem is considering Wenger was fully aware of this going into the transfer, why he green lit it only to change his mind at the very end (that’s the indecision I am talking about). When Juliens Laurens, a french reporter was asked on twitter about the Higuain’s transfer, he said that he finds it hard to rate its likeliness of happening given Wenger’s reputation for changing his mind referring to this same incident, one that mind you he was covering.

    On the multitasking, I have said that it’s not our fault about the Higuain transfer. My concern was that we can’t tie up other deals while we wait to see how that one pans out. On the Wanyama deal, I have spoken to him on numerous occasions and even after he signed for Soton so trust me when I tell you it was AFC who did not act. He said to me that he really wanted to come and so was everyone on his team but it reached a point where he felt like we were not interested anymore and he really wanted to move to the EPL so he eventually settled for soton.

  39. Glic says:

    Thanks for a fine post Marcus. 🙂

    I`m as frustrated as the next gay….sorry guy, but as others have said, we wont know whether it`s a good TW or bad one until the last day of the TW !. At this point it`s shit, but I`m sure someone is trying to do some deals and I`m sure Gazidis and Arsene know that there are going to be a lot of disgruntled supporters if they fail to get some SQ in !. They cant be that dumb and blind to as to what the majority of fans want !.

  40. Gerry says:

    HT17 – Mmmmn Arshavin. Tell me why he was still on our books and not producing anything?

    I know AW was not going to build the team around him, or his preferred playing position, even after Cesc left?

    It is a curious one. We might have almost what we paid for him had he gone then. Was AW just being kind so he could stay in London? Or was he bitter and twisted and froze him out?

    That is the big problem with the ‘lone guy’ approach, a player has nobody to turn to if there is a falling out.

    Roll on the BK himself to take up up a role here?

  41. Marcus says:

    JGC
    True but like I acknowledged in my post that the Higuain transfer is not anyone at Arsenal’s fault. I am talking about our other targets like Wanyama and the rest. My point is this, why not tie up the others that are less dramatic while keeping an eye on the developments of those that have been complicated? Like I said in the article, Soton completed the Wanyama transfer in less than a week. That could have been us.

  42. Marcus says:

    Glic,
    You’re right. In this post, I am just trying to examine why Arsenal transfers take an eternity compared to others.

  43. AFC says:

    What do you guys think about trying to bring in David Luiz. We could play him next to Arteta in a 4-2-3-1/4-2-1-3 or we could play him as the ‘1’ (sole DM) in a 4-1-2-3 formation. He would also be able to provide cover in defence as he can play CB and LB and has EPL experience. Still quite young and about to enter his prime. Mourinho might be willing to sell for around 25-30 million. Not sure about his wages.

  44. jgc says:

    Marcus

    Actually, I think we are agreed.

    But to chtter on … IMO, perhaps we didn’t want Wanyama? I know plenty here think he’d be more than good enuff, but… Certainly, Soton got him but that’s because few others truly wanted him (at least at that price). Of course, if he goes well for them this season we are all chumps! 🙂

    Cheers — jgc

  45. jgc says:

    AFC,

    Personally, I like Luiz and thin he’d fit well. Probably more an Arsenal type of player then a more purely defensive DM…

    But, if you agree we need patience now with RM et al, Maureen will rake us over the coals on it!! 🙂

    Cheers — jgc

  46. JM says:

    You have to ask Julio Cesar’s agent, Josias Cardoso. Is he asking for a big slice in agent fees (anything from £5 Million and above) from any likely transfer dealings of his only client? (i.e. his “cash cow” etc)

    Julio Cesar’s market value £2.6 Million.

    The going rate of a “super agent”, minimum pocketing between £2.5 Million to £5 Million (outside of the transfer fee requested by the selling club) for an top established international client/player. The max.? (an unlimited amount, if we are talking about Messi, C.Ronaldo, Falcao, Cavani, Neymar etc)
    And these are not reported in the media, obviously.

    Hitlist of Super Player Agents includes:

    (1) Jorge Mendes
    (clients: Cristiano Ronaldo, Falcao, Jose Mourinho, Angel Di Maria, Thiago Silva etc etc)

    (2) Paul Stretford
    (clients: Wayne Rooney, Harry Redknapp, Roberto Mancini etc etc)

    (3) Pere Guardiola
    (clients: Luis Suarez, Thiago Alcantara, Jon Toral, Hector Bellerin, Isaac Cuenca etc etc)

    (4) Jonathan Barnett
    (clients: Ashley Cole, Gareth Bale, Joe Hart, Wojciech Szczesny, Rafael, Fabio, Darren Bent etc etc)

    (5) Mino Raiola
    (clients: Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Mario Balotelli, Edinson Cavani, Etienne Capoue, Paul Pogba etc etc)

    (6) Tim Hager
    (clients: Yann M’Vila, Mamadou Sakho, Antoine Griezmann etc etc)

    (7) Pini Zahavi
    (clients: Javier Mascherano, Carlos Tevez etc etc)

    (8) Jerome Anderson
    (clients: John Obi Mikel, Eduardo, Axel Witsel, Kieran Gibbs etc etc)

    (9) Cezary Kucharski
    (clients: Robert Lewandowski, Jakub Błaszczykowski etc etc)

    PS: Some of players mentioned linked close to us are listed above, and we even have a few of the players in our club!.

  47. Hello Marcus,fellow goons..way to express your TRUE feelings Marcus.

    You sound frustrated fellow countryman..TA did warn us..the Torture Window is not for the faint hearted!!

    But your post does raise questionable traits about our beloved club..Firstly, Ivan announcing to the world of our deep-rich coffers..in essence declaring to the footballing world of our intent to spend in this TW..3 weeks since the official opening of the TW and nothing…STRANGE..you would think that a club that announces its riches would have signed the players it needs by now..

    Having nicked in 4th place and seeing how much it meant not only to our players but our great manager, you would think they would use it as a platform to build not only for the coming season but also for the future. As TA says, the current squad is good enough to rack up the points in the opening games of the season giving any new face time to slowly familiarize themselves with the team. With champions league football, a shrewd manager and a fantastic club setup, you would think we would get our players..

    I’m actually not too upset (YET) with the lack of inactivity in terms of player recruitment..it’s still early on and with even our players speaking up on the need of boosting our squad, its just a matter of time till we get in some new faces…i think many goons are growing restless as seeing how our rivals are strengthening their squads but i don’t think its something (YET) to feel too much aggrieved about..

    Loved your post Marcus and it captures the feelings of most gooners..two Kenyan goons posting back to back on BK…it’s a Kenyan takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. AFC says:

    JGC, for DM I only really want Gustavo but Luiz would be a better option. If we brough Luiz we would not have to buy another defender in addition to a DM which means we could save some money. I think it is time to get serious. I think it is worth a try in my opinion.

  49. 17highburyterrace says:

    Marcus, I love the insider info re: Wanyama. Is there any evidence that we were ever really interested in him or was that just the idea of bloggers and press people?

    My thought is that AW needs spots for young guys Ramsey and Ox-Cham and the back of MF is it. If we buy in this area it’s got to be somebody who can step in for Arteta and really make things tick against teams that really exert pressure on the position. You (and others) know Wanyama better than I do, but, despite all the power and athleticism, I’m not sure he’s the quick passer (and get back in position for another one) that AW wants in that spot. That sort of thing is a whole different skill set than the “beast” of a DM that bloggers (but maybe not AW) want…

  50. Marcus says:

    KG,
    You bring out a fantastic point. I think Ivan AND Arsene made a mistake telling the world that we have money and are willing to spend. It would have been better if they’d kept it to themselves and then signed these top players. By telling us, they skyrocketed our hopes and anticipation.

  51. Marcus says:

    17HT,
    I have a post coming out soon on the DM issue. Stay tuned.

  52. Gerry says:

    Marcus, I accept it is difficult to know all the details. Even when Arsene says something it may not be the entire truth. Was it really him not pushing for Mata to sign, or may be the other side stalling for a better offer? Like the Higuain saga.

    As they say, it takes two to tango?

    M’Villa I think was an early target? The assault, and the bust up with Laurant Blanc happened later. Like a lot these inquiries, he may have continued whilst he searched elsewhere – Capoue perhaps? – but missed one, turned the other down?

    You can hardly blame AW on the Higgy thing, other than try to get him as ‘a bargain’?

    Which is my point on strategy. Bargains don’t exist unless the selling club think you are the only one interested. Word spreads far too quickly. I said at the time, our best chance of signing Higuain was to get him before their new manager signed up. They didn’t.

    On the multitasking thing, I am guessing a lot of the groundwork is going on behind the scenes. The Bernard deal is an example, and it would be nice to pull that one off, even before the ‘big one’. He seems to me he is set to be the replacement for Gervinho – not like for like, but a body in the squad. However, that £21m may be off-set by whatever Roma might pay for Gerv? If we do get Saurez then the list of other players coming in gets shorter? With the remaining £15m we may get a DM, but I doubt we will get Gustavo for that, so a better offer for Ginter as DM/CB is most likely. Or our old friend Capoue, plus a GK?

    The other scenario is, we ‘dither’ as you might see it?, and hold back the £40m trigger for Saurez, and see if £30m actually gets Higuan, and RM snap up Saurez?

    Miss out on both and you may have further ammunition … but what would YOU do now, if you were AW?

  53. 17highburyterrace says:

    Marcus and KG, congrats to the Kenyans–Great writing, even if I don’t always agree with it…

    Isn’t the message to Gooners: We know what we’re doing and we don’t care what you think or feel (or get twisted up by the press)…We’re happy to be judged by the results…

    In negotiations, having money in pocket is a big advantage. Having time to make the deal is as well. WE may want things to happen yesterday, but that’s not how you get the best asset at the best price…

    Hey Gerry, lots of good stuff, and thanks for reading 😀 …

  54. AFC says:

    Gerry, I feel there is no budget of 70 million. That is just what Arsenal want to spend. I feel we could spend 100-150 million if we really wanted. Surely the Cesar deal pays for itself with the money from the Mannone deal and us getting rid of the ‘deadwood’. You could argue the same if we was to buy a defender of some sort. The 2 mill (I think) from Santos being sold alongside with the wages of Squil, Santos and the partial wages of Johan would certainly pay the wages of the new defender and a good chunk of the transfer fee. The transfer fee and wages saved from Arshavin, Maroune and Bendtner pay the wages of a top ST etc. So we have more to spend than we first realise.

  55. AFC says:

    So if we wanted to get Cesar, Williams, Gustavo, a top ST and maybe another quality AM/RW/SS etc. it would be possibly.

  56. Glic says:

    Cesar, Williams and Gustavo !……lets just see what my cock thinks………nope……….no movement !. hahaha

  57. AFC says:

    Glic, I was trying to be realistic. How about David Luiz instead of Gustavo and Williams. 😀

  58. TotalArsenal says:

    Welcome back AFC – you have been missed, and not just for your famous spelling correcttions! 🙂

  59. TotalArsenal says:

    *corrections hahaha 🙂

  60. Glic says:

    Spuds have agreed a deal for Belgium winger Nacer Chadli from FC Twente !. Where`s our Dutch league experts ?. Is he any good ?.

  61. TotalArsenal says:

    There is an additional complexity. or dimension if you want, when it comes to the transfer market, rather than any ordinary market: the ‘product’ has a say in where it wants to go and what it wants to be paid.

  62. AFC says:

    TA think about trying to bring in David Luiz? We could play him next to Arteta in a 4-2-3-1/4-2-1-3 or we could play him as the ’1′ (sole DM) in a 4-1-2-3 formation. He would also be able to provide cover in defence as he can play CB and LB and has EPL experience. Still quite young and about to enter his prime. Mourinho might be willing to sell for around 25-30 million. Not sure about his wages. It would be cheaper than trying to bring in a CB and DM and save a squad spot for a promising young player.

  63. TotalArsenal says:

    Nah Glic, nothing to worry about.

  64. Glic says:

    AFC

    No problem with Side Show Bob, didn`t know he was available though !. Trouble is we`ve got Charles Montgomery Gazidis Burns as CEO !.

  65. TotalArsenal says:

    AFC, I dont think we will ever get a good player from a team managed by the cocky, self-adoring bastard. Luiz would be a great addition, but cannot see it happen.

    We now also ‘missed out’ on Strootman who will be combining with Gervinho next season if rumours are true re the latter. 😕

  66. hahahahaha Glic @16:19

  67. Hey TA..can you confirm the Gerv exit rumors???

  68. AFC says:

    Glic and TA, Mourinho might be tempted with an offer of 30 million. Wenger can at least try. No harm in trying. Gustavo is my other option but I would prefer David Luiz.

  69. TotalArsenal says:

    KG – I can confirm them as rumours hahaha 🙂

    I guess the fact that he did not travel to Asia is a small indication there might be truth in Arsene letting him go this summer. I’d rather first see his replacement, although it might become Ox’s first team spot (in combo with Pod/Caz). Would you be sad to see him go where all roads lead to?

  70. AFC says:

    So it seems we are telling Cesar to take a pay cut from around 45k a week to 30k a week. Really? Why should a experienced GK like Cesar who has wons trophies all around the world at club and international level, played well for QPR last season, no.1 GK for Brazil take a pay cut especially when he is only on 45k a week. That’s an insult to Cesar, like playing for us is a dream. I really hope this is not true and if it is I hope Wenger doesn’t mess it up.

    http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/20/arsenal-tell-julio-cesar-he-must-take-a-pay-cut-to-complete-gunners-move-3891199/

    TA & Glic, thoughts?

  71. Hey AFC

    I’d actually fancy Luiz in the Arteta role..i think Jack is WAY superior than him in the b2b role

  72. TotalArsenal says:

    It would be a waste of time AFC – Maureen will not cooperate – remember last season… a certain midfielder who ended up at Pool eventually…

  73. TotalArsenal says:

    Sorry AFC, I just do not want to comment on anything that comes from the Metro. 😦

  74. AFC says:

    TA, I would sell Gervinho and bring in a RW as back-up for Theo and maybe use the Ox in midfield.

  75. TotalArsenal says:

    I can see your reasoning there, AFC, and would not say no to it. 🙂

  76. TA

    I’d be disappointed for him..a player who can hit the top most heights but has a serious issue with consistency..when on tune, he’s unplayable..off-tune, you’d rather smash the screen than watch him!!!..he’s that infuriating

    Wouldn’t be sad to see the back of him..just need to replace him with a better player.

  77. TotalArsenal says:

    Agreed KG, I must say I am quite a fan of Gervinho and I feel not enough was done to make him more part of the squad. But he is definitely replaceable.

  78. Admir says:

    Marcus, another brilliant piece of mind. 🙂

    Personally, I think Wenger has been too much of an economist (professional disease?) than a football manager. Though, I have to say I caught myself doing exactly the same thing on Football Manager, somewhere where you don’t use real money and you can reload a game and give yourself another chance if you blew it. I spent virtual months searching for a way to splash my 150 million euros I had (I signed Higuain, Reus, Bale and Isco).

    Anyway, the only thing worse than Wenger fail to purchase a quality player is giving Wenger a new contract. He has to earn the next one and I don’t see that coming with current squad.

    I wasn’t able to comment yesterday but I have to say that maiden post of Kenyan Gooner was absolutely brilliant, top of the game. 🙂

  79. AFC says:

    Kenyan Gooner,

    Cesar, David Luiz, a top ST and an AM/RW would be us sorted. David Luiz and Jack could form a very good partnership. Two partnerships rotated regularly (Ramsey & Arteta and Wilshere & Luiz) would work.

  80. what do you make of the Bernard rumors TA??..good replacement for the Gerv??

  81. Glic says:

    AFC

    Two things, Side Show Bob is not for sale to my knowledge and Wenger spending £30M…..are you crazy !. hahaha

    Yes, I know the rumour was we put in a £30m bid for Lecter , but it was £2M….with Bendtner amd Chamakh thrown in and on the proviso that Bendtner signed a sworn affidavit that he is indeed one of the best footballers in the world !.

  82. AFC says:

    TA, Gervinho is not needed anymore now Santi plays on the LW with Podolski as back-up.

  83. Thanks Admir..what’s your take on Ramsey and his place on the team??

    And i fully agree with you..though his been great for us, Arsene has to EARN his next contract with us.

  84. TotalArsenal says:

    I don’t know him, KG, so cannot tell you. Running BK is so time intensive that I miss out on watching many non-Arsenal games.

    But I am not too worried about a banging door at the side of the house, first I would like us to fix the roof! hahaha

    I want my UBER-BEAST of a DM first hahaha 😛

  85. Glic says:

    KG
    One of the rumours I would like to be true !.
    I hope we get Bernard before some other f**ker picks him up !. I`m sure Gilberto will give us a glowing reference !.

  86. TotalArsenal says:

    Just wanted to say hello to the FinnGooners who happen to be reading the post today. This is an inclusive blog and I would love to hear your views on the mighty Arse! 😀

  87. AFC says:

    Glic, it’s time we got serious. Anything under 30 million is ok in today’s market. I would not spend over 30 million on any player if I could avoid it. Every player is available at the right price. 😀

  88. Fully agreed AFC..that would work a treat!!..Luiz + Jack for the ‘big’ games and Zollo + Rambo to keep it neat and tidy..though would be difficult 2 lure him from chelsea..made even harder by the ‘pervert one’ back on board..

  89. TotalArsenal says:

    Dont agree AFC, Gervinho’s skill-set is unique at Arsenal at the moment. Nobody cracks open parked-buses better than the giant forehead! 😛

  90. Glic

    He looked promising even coming from the bench for Brazil at the Confeds cup..rumors have it its a ‘done’ deal..taking it with a pinch of salt..

  91. Glic says:

    Thing is AFC, I see these amounts banded about for £30M+ and it just saddens me that my beloved Isco went for a paltry £25M !……now look what you`ve done to me !. 😥 😥 😥

  92. I’m with you TA..a good DM would be the BEST piece of biz for the summer imo.

  93. AFC says:

    TA, Gervinho’s skill-set is unique but he is not consistent enough to force his way into the starting eleven. I would let him go IF we can get a better replacement in.

  94. AFC says:

    Glic, Isco would have been a good buy.

  95. Guys, what do you expect???..in a market where Ade can cost 30 big one’s..shows you how even ‘average’ can cost an awful lot!!..yet Isco got away at just 25..crazy world!!

    *where the hell is the pound sign on the keyboard???* 🙂

  96. TotalArsenal says:

    Glic, Isco chose RM, simples. It is not just to do with what we offer, unfortunately.

  97. Marcus says:

    KG,
    You are actually on to something. I’ve always fancied Luiz as more of a DM than a CB. Thing is I don’t see Mou selling him to us. Also, even if he did. he’d cost a mammoth fee.

  98. TotalArsenal says:

    Yes AFC, that would make sense.

  99. Marcus says:

    TA,
    Love how you are sticking by the forehead… 🙂

  100. AFC says:

    Guys, I do not understand how Barca quoted 15 mill for Villa but sold him to A. Madrid for around 2-5 million. Villa would have been a good replacement for Gervinho.

  101. Marcus says:

    17HT and Gerry,
    Thanks for the kind words by the way..

  102. TotalArsenal says:

    And as soon as HIguain or Suarez says I want to leave and the only club I am interested in is Arsenal, it would all become a lot easier for us. But that does not seem to be happening right now, hence the difficulties to close any of the deals.

    If I was Arsene I would wait till the end to get one or two of these super quality players – with the risk of missing out on all of them; or just go for the slightly below-radar gems now (if there are any he is interested in).

  103. AFC says:

    TA, I would wait too. Apart from Rooney, Suarez and Higuain, what other top STs are left.

  104. TotalArsenal says:

    Marcus

    I sometimes feel that African Gooners are even harsher on Gervinho than other Gooners (not you and KG by the way). Is there truth in this?

  105. AFC says:

    Fabregas if we play him as a false 9 but he does not seem to be leaving Barca this TW.

  106. Gerry says:

    Well as nobody else is answering the question; to dither or no to dither? I will say what I would do.

    I would push for the Saurez deal now, even at £45m, I think it carries less risk than any other striker we know is available.

    1, I believe him when he say he want to come to the Arsenal.
    Why? Because he knows we are not a club that buys players like some people buy expensive artwork. We want him to play football, not to show how rich we are.

    2, He won’t go to Chelsea, so that takes that gazumping out of the picture. Real are unlikely to bid until they are sure they can get a good deal for Higuain, or keep him if they cannot?

    3, After the 6 weeks(games?) are up we get a top player who will need no bedding in, and will be familiar with his team mates from the training ground.

    4, Unlike Rooney, I think he will be a top class striker in 4 years time, and still capable of knocking in copious amounts of goals.
    Rooney I would hardly trust to keep fit until the end of this coming season, as long as his whopping pay check is still rolling in. He is also too immature to realise his career is slipping away from him, AND he would happily sign for Chelsea as us.

    5, Saurez will make at least 3 or 4 players better than they are already, not too mention the lift it will give to the youngsters who are coming through.. They can learn from his good skills as much as I hope we will iron out his bad ones.

    With the way we play i cannot see any frustration building up as long as he is scoring goals, the team are winning,and the fans get behind him, which I think they will if the other two conditions are met.

    Whist that deal is being concluded, press ahead with Bernard the Bolt, he will be useful.

    Once Saurez has signed, formally announce our intention to buy back Cesc Fabregas. Then they either sell to us or keep?

    Go for Gustavo for a reasonable fee £18m-£20m. Otherwise Ginter, with the long term covered as a Per replacement.

    If we truly have deeper pockets, a £20m offer for Le Gren in the likelyhood that whoever takes over at Barca will be looking at Cesc as a long term player?

    If anybody can spend £100m better than that, please step forwards?

    p.s. GK Fabby, new contract.

    pps- Subject to the full backing of all the players when he convinces them he will not repeat any distasteful action, and is truly sorry if he has offended anybody with those past deeds.

  107. TotalArsenal says:

    Lewandowski, Huntelaar, El Shawari(?), Eriksson, Torres, etc.

  108. Marcus says:

    TA,
    Yes. I think its because we are African, we get to see him play for Ivory Coast and its like watching 2 different people.

  109. Glic says:

    AFC

    The reason Barca quoted £10-15M for Villa is as others and I have said………We ( Gazidis ) shouldn`t have boasted how much money we had to spend !.
    If you went into a car show room and the sales person said how much you got to spend, would you tell him your top budget of say £20K or ask him how much the cars were valued at first and haggle with him/her ?. I don’t remember any other clubs saying how much they had to spend !.

  110. AFC says:

    Gerry,

    Cesar- 1.5-3.0 million, Luiz- 30 million, Fabregas- 25 million, Higuain- 30 million. Wages covered from deadwood as mentioned in earlier comment to you.

    Or

    Cesar- 1.5-3.0 million, Williams- 12 million, Gustavo- 15 million, Higuain- 30 million, another AM/RW if Fabregas will not join and mayge Gervinho out for 8 million.

  111. TotalArsenal says:

    hahaha Gerry, it love it when you do fantasy football stuff! 😛

    With Suarez we are always one bite or redmist away from disaster. Let’s not forget that £45m is still the value of more than 30000 season tickets.

  112. Fully agreed Gerry.

  113. TotalArsenal says:

    Glic players are not cars….as per my earlier comment the club is struggling to convince your-so-wished-for super quality players to come and join us. I think you have to see the ‘we have £70m to spend’ comment in this light.

  114. You nailed it Marcus..

    Gerv for Ivory Coast is truly top class..at the grove, a different player..maybe the boo-boys intimidate him???

  115. TotalArsenal says:

    Thanks Marcus that makes sense.

  116. AFC says:

    TA, I forgot about Lewandowski, Huntelaar possibly too old and not worth buying, El Shawari(?) not experienced enough, Eriksson do not know enough about him, Torres is too much of a gamble,

    I would only buy Lewandowski from that group.

  117. Glic says:

    Agree with you Gerry, apart from the Le Gren and Gustavo bit, but you have left another scenario out and that is Real trying to part-exchange Higuain for Suarez !. Obviously Suarez is unhappy at the Bin Dippers and Higuian wants out at Real, it would give the Bin Dippers an Ideal replacement !.

  118. AFC says:

    Glic, why would Higuain go to Liverpool when he can come to us or go to Chelsea, two clubs who can offer him CL football and a much bigger chance of winning the league?

  119. Glic says:

    And Cars are not players Totes, but me and Stretch still managed to a chloroformed Chammy, Bendy and Parky in the back of one !. hahaha

  120. TotalArsenal says:

    Any of those players would add real value to the team, even Torres. But as you know I am not worried about us scoring enough goals from attack next season and just want a bit of extra fire power in the squad.

    I respect that you see our needs differently.

  121. TotalArsenal says:

    Just imagine them all waking up together in the back of the boot, Glic 😀

  122. Glic says:

    Not too convinced on the footballing factor with todays mercenaries AFC !. Money means more than a team being in the CL !.
    Maybe that’s why Bendy doesn`t want to leave, it`s not his £52K per week wages that is stopping him from leaving for less wages elsewhere, it`s the fact he wont get CL anywhere else !.

  123. Gerry says:

    AFC – Nice try, but nailing Higuain carries the big risk of being gazumped by Chelsea, and real snap up Saurez. You then are left with a Man City hand out?

    I know most think the ‘Beast’ DM will make our forward play better, and therefore is a higher priority.

    I think the reverse. You get your striker, and if need be we plug along with the Double DM pivot until the next TW. But more likely, with a Saurez type signing others are more likely to sign if they think we could be challengers. Why would Gustavo come when we have the same team that just made it into 4th place?

    But yes your figures allow for Ericksen, who would be an alternative for Le Gren.

  124. Fred says:

    Hi guys’ great post – totally agree it is hell being an arsenal fan during the TW. Hopefully, thise Transfer Window will be a little different as I genuinely believe we will spend big. Hopefully it wont get to the stage where Wenger says the right players weren’t available – we know they are.

    @TA, sorry for the delay in replying I’ve been very busy over the last couple of days. At the moment I’m based in London – around a 20 minute walk from our stadium, but come September I will be relocatting to Norwich for most of the year. I was originally bought up an Everton fan by my dad, until I realised that Arsenal was a 20 minute walk from my house at about the age of 7 and have supported them ever since as they truely are my local team.

  125. Glic says:

    Open the boot up and find them in a dogging triangle !. Knowing them though, they would all probably miss the spot !. hahaha

  126. Gerry says:

    TA – You won’t be laughing if AW slips away to talk personal terms on Tuesday, eh?

    Oh, on your list, 3 strikers, – first one, not going anywhere(outside of the BL); Next, by your own admission is not what we want?; £rd one, Torres … you cannot be serious! Two years ago, perhaps.

  127. TotalArsenal says:

    Hey Fred, I live in Narrrich! 🙂 As soon as you have settled you should send me an email and we watch a game together in one of the pubs, if you want.

  128. Gerry says:

    glic- In 12 months time you will regret ruling out Le Gren, as I suspect his price to double as he take Lyon all the way to the French title, despite the two mega rich challengers.

  129. TotalArsenal says:

    Glic – you are incorrigible! 😛

  130. Gerry says:

    Oh dear, they are dropping like flies … Monreal injured. Cazorla flies out ..

    is the latest headline.

  131. Fred says:

    Hi, TA, just seen your post about the strikers. I have to say I agree with it on the whole. I think potentialy Torres could do well at Arsenal. He strikes me as the kind of player who needs to be taken under a managers arm and told he is the main man, and given a similar role to van judas. Having said that he is is getting on a bit now and doesn’t seem as quick as he used to be.

    If I had to chose strikers to have at arsenal I would chose 1 of:
    1.Lewandoski (possibly 20m – in the last year of his contract)
    2. Higuain (RM apparently asking for 30m not worth than in my opinion though)
    3. El Shaarawy (25m)
    4. Huntelaar (probably pretty cheap but also fairly old)
    5. Benteke (close to 30m after he signed his new contract I’m guessing)

    However, I think we are in desperate need of a DM as well as they would allow our more attacking players to venture further forward – something which we are in desperate need of, I would recommend any one of the following players (within our price range):
    1. Fellaini (24m)
    2. Gustavo (8m)
    3. Camacho (5m)
    4. M’Vila (12m)
    5. De Rossi (not to sure)

    If we sell Gervinho then I think we are in need of either a LW or a AM who can adequetly cover at LW. In which case I would be very happy with either Munian or Bernard.

  132. AFC says:

    Gerry, if we cannot get Higuain, I would rather we try and get Lewandowski instead of Suarez. Lewandowski would be much cheaper and comes with less baggage.

  133. Fred says:

    @TA, cool sounds like a plan, I will probably be going out a lot – soaking up the student lifestyle.

  134. AFC says:

    Fred, for DM I want Gustavo, David Luiz or De Rossi. All three can play in midfield or defence.

  135. Glic says:

    Muniain and Bernard mentioned again…..I felt some movement !. hahaha

    Lewandowski looked a class player for Dortmund, but isn’t he just winding down his contract so he can move on a “free” to Bayern next year !.

  136. AFC says:

    Fred, for ST my only options are Lewandowski, Higuain, Rooney and Suarez as a last resort.

  137. jgc says:

    TA, Gerry et al

    I find myself largely in Gerry’s camp just now. With one exception, for my usual argument on flexibility…

    IMO, beast or ST/10 first will make improve things. I think if we can only get one SQ player this window, at ANY price, then one will do for both. The ST/10 will make defense easier because other teams won’t be able to line up and tee off on us without risk, they will have to spend more time and energy and focus making sure of home base first. Equally, the beast will do the same for us but on defense and thus open up and free our attackers more.

    I agree with TA in Gerv but he needs some pills to add some consistency or a minder to remind him not to leave the bus/can opener at home so often… That said, more flow and faster counters might remove some of that need.

    So, I’ll still ask the question, why not offer Barca 50m for Cesc? And be done with most of it… We could then “appear poor” get some solid DM or other cover, and move on to haggling with goal keepers ..

    Finally, speaking of GKs, mentoring and experience, and deals with no chance… Why not see if Friedel is surplus to requirements at Spuds. The exact opposite of Scz in temperament but consummate professional (which is what Scz needs)?

    Thus endeth this rant of off the wall bits not approaching Glic’s fantasy world of chloroform and car boots…

    Cheers — jgc

  138. jgc says:

    And, ha,fooled you… No, I don’t care what Barca and Fab have said about moving. 50m has a strong voice too… jgc

  139. Fred says:

    @AFC, agreed, that Lewandoski and De Rossi in one transfer window for me would be the most ideal scenario. But I think it’s relatively unlikely that we will get one of them let alone both. As Glic said Lewandoski is just winding down his time at dortmund before a move to munich, whilst I cannot see Wenger going for De rossi because of his age. My lists are purely based on what I think is low likelihood – possibily range. My ideal ST signing would be Messi. For me personally I would not like to see us sign Suarez he is a great footballer but I don’t like his attitude and personality, having said that I wouldn’t be disappointed if we did sign him as he is a great player. In my opinion Rooney is over-rated but thats just my opinion.

    Has anyone seen Lacina Traroe play? He could be a fairly good signing as well.

  140. AFC says:

    Where is HH & JB today? I was looking forward to catching up with them.

  141. ProudGooner says:

    Hello Gooners.
    The transfer window has been really fustraighting and i have often thought i would like Wenger to name targets and let someone else (elses) deal with the haggling and let Wenger get on with what he does best. But i still have faith in him.
    I think we should let the club and Wenger do there jobs and judge at the end if it was a success or not, i hope and think it will be
    Above all else i don’t want us fans butting heads and arguing over the transfers.
    This is the first window in a bad few years where we are not worried about the players we are going to lose, so that considered worrying about who is coming in instead is progress and really not to big a worry. That said we all want a few big names signing up.
    We have shed out a lot of dead wood but the exits have left holes which Wenger will be looking to fill thats is why im sure he will be busy and sign, i am glad i was not expecting much during the tour and still am not , if they do then all well and good if not i won’t be expecting any minute kind of thing.

  142. AFC says:

    Fred, agreed about Suarez. Rooney is only good if we play him as a no.10 behind a ST. I suggested Lucina some time ago. I have not seen him play but have heard great things. I think he has scored 18 goals in his league. I would get him next summer and sell Giroud.

  143. AFC says:

    Apparently, Monreal could be out to mid October. Monreal, Kos, Verm, Szez all injured. These injuries just highlight the need for another DF to be signed.

    So we are now left with the injury-prone Gibbs as our left back. Just great.

  144. AFC says:

    * our only

  145. James Bond says:

    call the search party back, AFC has returned to BK with a bang, ha

    nice one, Marcus

    no one really knows what goes on behind the scenes or in AW’s Head but one thing we do know for sure is that it could be done differently or in a better way ? yes, we got Poldi and Giroud nice and early last year but that was ONLY because RVP wanted to leave and he informed AW & Arsenal of his intentions nice and early hence the unusual arrival of a couple of players early in the summer.

    saying that, look at Man utd, they haven’t signed anyone worth noting nor have Chelsea (Apart from Jose and Schurrle)…. man city have spent close to 100 million (but they almost do that every year as a minimum target)… next week is a big week coming up and i expect some serious developments made in the transfer window.

    also on a different tangent, take a look at BM…they won almost everything if not everything last year and still they went out and spent more than 50 million…that is intent for you , now there’s a team that has done so well with the squad that they had yet they went out and made it even better and stronger by spending a crazy amount of money… as a gooner, i just couldn’t see AW do that even if we had a similar year to BM, for me he has become a “Reactive Coach” instead of being a “Proactive one”, perhaps this is where the problem lies.. i..e we buy players because of injury’s, panic buys e.t.c e.t.c not good enough for a team that has one of the best stadiums in Europe, facilities and so on (2nd biggest stadium in England by the way) , sky high ticket prices for the fans and to put it into perspective, you see smaller clubs like Stoke offer “free transport” to all their away supporters for away matches because of the money they are generating now and thanks to the TV money coming in.

    to put it bluntly, all we want are decent players AW & the board, we’re not asking for “free transport 😀

  146. AFC says:

    JB, surely we have to buy another defender. Moreal and Verm will be out for months, Kos is out for weeks, Gibbs is injury-prone, Miquel is not good enough.

  147. James Bond says:

    we don’t know how long Nacho will be out for , AFC..the only person to report that was geoff on twitter and even he deleted that tweet, with all due respect to his “insider knowledge” he is by no means a medical expert to rule him out till october.

    if we know that then surely AW knows it as well ? we’re a bit light on the defensive department and could do with the likes of Sakho from PSG.

  148. AFC says:

    JB, I am SCARED that Wenger will still not sign another DF. Sakho would be good. Szez is also out. So that only leaves Fab and Mart. If Fab gets injured that leaves us with just Mart. And that is what I have been stressing. Our squad lacks the quality and depth to challenge for the PL (38 games), CL, FA Cup and League Cup. 4-5 signings are needed.

  149. AFC says:

    Also, several reports are saying Napoli have agreed a fee with Real for Higuain. There is a strong possibility this is not true but if it is who are we left with. Lewandowski will see out the remaining year on his BD contract to go to BM on a free, Soldado looks set to go to Spurs, Rooney is only good as a no.10 behind a ST and we would have to pay in the excess of 40 million for Suarez who will be banned for the first 8 games.

  150. James Bond says:

    valid points, AFC

    by the end of next week, there should be some serious movements in the Arsenal transfer torture market, have a little faith

    AW knows it’s his best chance to win the EPL in a long long time.

    question to you :

    if you knew there was a possibility of getting the likes of Cesc and Suarez, would you prefer waiting until you tried signing them both and Cesar or would you settle for the 2nd best ?

    Cesar’s deal isn’t as straight forward as it may seem at 1.5 million and 50 k in wages per week… you also have the agents aka mercenaries to deal with and this is one area i can assure you Arsenal and AW refuse to get bullied in and hence our downfall in the transfer market…maybe it’s time to look at the law of dicks ? (no pun intended by the way).

    😀

  151. AFC says:

    JB, all agreed but Wenger has to know when too move on if needed. I still feel Wenger will not sign enough players.

  152. James Bond says:

    and Wenger has moved on from Higuain, has he not ? let the likes of Perez & Laurentiis can continue on their merry ways creating and playing in the soap opera.

    true big clubs have class and don’t behave like Real Madrid, when it comes to selling players.

    how many players are enough for you, AFC ?

  153. AFC says:

    JB, a 25 man squad like this will do:

    Cesar, Szez, Fab, Sagna, Jenk, Mert, Kos, Verm, New CB, Monreal, Gibbs, Diaby, Wilshere, Ramsey, Arteta, New DM, Rosicky, Cazorla, New AM/RW, Ox, Gerv, Pod, Walcott, Giroud, new ST.

    Then next summer Giroud, Gervinho maybe Diaby leave. Youth promoted or new signings made.

  154. TotalArsenal says:

    Fred, I like the look of your lists.

    So you are a student! Enjoy your time over here. 🙂

  155. James Bond says:

    so you want 4 new signings ?

    Gervinho is good as gone it appears.

    Diaby will have to make a decision and show his loyalty to AW and Arsenal by basically retiring from international football if we were to keep him..otherwise either take a wage cut or be sold.

  156. AFC says:

    If Wenger wants Sanago in the 25 man squad then Gervinho should make way and be sold this TW.

  157. AFC says:

    JB, I want 4 signings. If Gervinho leaves he should then be replaced. So that’s 4 and 5 if Gerv leaves.

  158. TotalArsenal says:

    jgc – agreed Cesc back would be ideal and why not spend 50 million if we appear prepared to spend 40 million on the cannibal…

  159. AFC says:

    TA, that’s what I do not get. If we’re going to spend 40 on Suarez we might as well have brought a ST earlier on for big money.

  160. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi PG – I like your philosophical approach! 🙂

  161. AFC says:

    Let’s offer 60 mill and Gervinho for Bale while we’re at it. I cannot see Wenger spending more than 30 million on a player.

  162. Wesley Yates says:

    It’s clear tha AW has no hesitation when it comes to buying them young. I suspect wanting to mould them himself than buying them off the shelf is what drives him. This model is only rewarding if the young players go on to realise their potential at Arsenal. If they leave at their prime as did Song, Nasri, RVP, Cesc, Clichy that earns you the selling club name tag.

  163. James Bond says:

    Gnabry is better suited to replace Gerv instead of Sanago.

    Bale won’t come as cheaply as 60 million, 60 million will be a bargain for bale if it happens…in excess of 60 million comfortably.

    Suarez is worth the 41 million and the wait.

  164. AFC says:

    JB, if we do get Suarez for 41 million, Liverpool can pay a chunk of his wages for the weeks he remains banned.

  165. James Bond says:

    no AFC, that wouldn’t make sense as we will still be using Suarez for the CL qualifiers … his ban is only domestic and doesn’t apply in Europe meaning we can use him for 2 of the most important games of the season.

  166. AFC says:

    JB, he is still banned for 8 PL games (20-25% of PL games). We should be given some sort of a discount.

  167. davydavy says:

    JB do you really want someone whose reputation is rightly built around cheating diving and racism in our team? If we’re spending that much on a striker (and it’s not that clear that we should) then Higuain is surely a better bet?

    For the lhe last two years our problems have mainly been about creating chances, not finishing them (that has been Liverpool’s problem funnily enough, even with Count Dracula in the team). Since Cesc left we just don’t create enough, so I would like to see us add skill and directness in the midfield, so that Giroud/Podolski/Sanogo/Theo can get opportunities to finish.

    For that reason if our only new signing was the brilliant young winger Bernard I would be delighted, but I would also like to see a another top midfielder come in like Fabregas, Bender, Gundongan, or Vidal if we could get any of them. I want to see us creating a lot more chances from the left wing and through the middle.

    I would also agree with posters above regarding bringing in another central defender or defensive midfielder, because we do look a little exposed in that position.

  168. AFC says:

    We should have just went for Balotelli in January. We could have got him for around 20-25 million.

  169. James Bond says:

    DD,

    everyone makes mistakes as human, although i am not defending suarez or his actions but i firmly believe that under AW, he’ll be much much better with his shenanigans…also worth noting that Suarez gives his all like a true professional during training sessions as well, if there was a problem during training or in team fighting or harming team spirit then i wouldn’t want him anywhere near the team …if you have doubts there then just look at his team captain Stevie G backing him and making a lot of noise on how suarez deserves to be the player of the year and so on even during his difficult times.

    Suarez is exactly what we need , someone with grit, fight and determination if you can somehow ignore his antics …even with the baggage he brings, he is worth it cause quite simply put, he may lose you a match but he is capable of winning you the league…

    actually its a bit of both, at first we were struggling to create chances and then when the few chances did come our way, we lacked a clinical or smart finisher… get in Cesc and Suarez and we’re sorted i reckon…for both creating and scoring.

    Suarez was the best CF/striker in England last year, RVP only won the golden boot due to his suspensions.

    Re- Higain then let me ask you this, if we were playing Man city / utd/ Chelsea/ Spuds tomorrow, who would you much rather have in your team if you had to choose between Suarez and Higuain ? (ignoring Suarez the person).

    Suarez is a big match player and doesn’t go hiding in big games, the same can’t be said for Higuain.

  170. James Bond says:

    Balotelli wasn’t worth the trouble.

  171. AFC says:

    Suarez isn’t worth the trouble either. At least Balotelli would have cost us half the price of Suarez, would not have had a 8 match ban and was immature rather than a racist, biter, diver and a cheat.

  172. James Bond says:

    last time i checked, Suarez was a top notch professional in the training ground and wasn’t causing all sorts of havoc during training or was holding his manager by the neck or was held by his manager.

    diver and a cheat ? haven’t we had those at Arsenal in the past ?

    yeah sure, Suarez was immature, what do you call Zidane then for headbutting someone ? football is a passionate sport, players do things in the spur of the moment of players do things when rubbish is uttered against their loved ones.. some cope well, some just want to have a bit of a bite and munch ahahahahahha each to their own

    however, for me suarez is deffo worth the trouble.

  173. davydavy says:

    Wow, good case made for Suarez there, JB.

    Who should we go for to finish that one sharp chance against ManU/ManC/Chelsea is a great way to put it – the season turns on those moments where that flash of striking instinct separates the top strikers from the rest.

    Is Suarez that striker? I really don’t know. He seemed to miss a lot of chances for Liverpool over the last two years, but then his international record is good (as is Higuain’s). I’ll be honest I haven’t looked at Suarez as a pure striker very closely (because of his antics) but yes I totally agree with you about his fight and determination. A bit like Tevez he is a warrior who will die in battle for you, where in contrast Arsenal’s football sometimes seems more theoretical than combative.

    What are the player’s stats over the last two years in games against top six opposition, and how clinical a finisher would you say that he is?

  174. Glic says:

    Personally, I don’t give a Gareth Bale about Suarez`s past, I only want what`s best for Arsenal FC to win trophy`s !. If Arsenal`s youth academy was run jointly by Savile and Glitter, I wouldn`t care if it produced a pair of Messi`s and Ronaldo`s !. Celtic didn`t do too bad winning trophy`s and their academy was run by catholic priest`s !. hahaha

  175. AFC says:

    JB, it takes two to tango and apparently Mancini was shouting abuse at Balotelli for a tackle and provoked him.

  176. Glic says:

    If the rumours are to be believed and there are plenty of them, then Higuain is off to Napoli !. Our SQ list is getting smaller by the day !.

  177. AFC says:

    JB, for 30 mill he is worth the trouble but for over 40 million, Suarez isn’t worth it in my opinion.

  178. Glic says:

    Hahaha Herbenstein, Baron Victor von Zimmerstein`s monster has returned !. 🙂

  179. Glic says:

    Herbs, where have you been ?. You will add some entertaining spice to the debating that’s for sure !. hahaha

  180. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hahaha, wellcome back Herbie Baby. And yes, i still love and worship Lord Wenger

  181. Glic says:

    So basically Stretch, the loft extension is a stalkers shrine to Sith Lord Wenger !. hahaha

  182. James Bond says:

    DD,

    if i told you that had Suarez not got banned he may have comfortably beaten RVP for the race to win the golden boot then surely that should be a good indicator of his finishing abilities and consistency ? he is the missing puzzle that comparison with Tevez is a very good one !

    Glic – co signed.

    AFC,

    but it wasn’t just one incident though now was it ? it was a constant and regular thing with him getting in a pickle with his team mates, some people never grow up and he happens to be one of them was the opinion of man city fans i am mates with and it showed as well even with his on field behaviour.

    30 million, 40 million, 45 million – all worth the money for a troubled individual with a sensational footballing brain and set of skills…mind you, without his troubles, he be in excess of 50 million and liverpool know that as well.

  183. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Yes Cornwall. And from this day forward i wish to be know as “Darth Stretchicus” haha

  184. AFC says:

    JB, the thing is Balotelli was just an immature, arrogant player who had trouble with authority whereas Suarez is also immature but bites people and racially abuses people. You cannot compare Balotelli to the likes of Suarez and Terry. We will have to agree to disagree and move on. 🙂

  185. Glic says:

    Hahaha Darth Stretchicus, So it will be the women with 3 breasts at the Jedi Night club in Brentwood !. If there`s no grease, use the force !. hahaha

  186. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Was his breakdown incuced by lack of Arsenal transfer activity Herbie? hahaha

    Cornwall, i always use “The Force”, but its more the stocking over face, rubber cosh, and heavy breathing variety, hahaha

  187. Glic says:

    He wasn`t a gooner by chance Herb ?, we`re thinking of opening up a BK Torture Ward for the clinically depressed !.

    Don’t forget Squilacci also !. We`ve still got Bendtner though, but he is self-acclaimed world class !.

  188. James Bond says:

    agreed , AFC 😀

  189. Glic says:

    Hahaha Your not that bastard who keeps phoning me about mis-sold PPI ?. hahaha

  190. AFC says:

    Where is HH today?

  191. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Nah, hate those Bastards Cornwall. They dont call me anymore coz as soon as they would i just heavy breathed them into submisson

    The ones that didnt initialy get scared off i would just slip in “I know were you live, and i like you” that would sort them. hahaha

  192. Braeden says:

    I agree that it’s a torture window and not a transfer window and I hate the not spending big money policy but at times it could be good and bad (1) we don’t break the bank or go bankrupt so that’s good and (2) we don’t spend any money to actually sign players such as Steven jovetic (gone) Higuain (fell apart) Rooney (was very stupid) Suarez (good but won’t spend the money) but Bernard actually could signing and is good now and young) I also think that we only go after young players we need to go after older not nescisarly 30 year olds I mean players that are23-26 those are really high quality players at the peak of their career but I know that rebuilding and getting youngsters is good for the future but we need to sign good players right now.

  193. Glic says:

    AFC
    I did post this the other day. It`s for HH to sit and look at whilst he beats his cock with a steak mallet !. You may like to do the same or alternatively you can buy from Dr Glic`s Emporium the items on sale earlier today !. hahaha

    http://havearsenalspentanymoneyyet.com/

  194. AFC says:

    Herb’s Army, how many players do you feel we need to buy to challenge for trophies and who do you want to join us?

  195. Glic says:

    AFC
    I think it`s more of a case who Herb wants us to get rid of, not buy !.
    Me and Darth Stretchicus have repeatedly turn down jobs from Herb to ” Silence ” Wenger with our “Chloroform Cortina Contract Company ” !. hahaha

  196. Braeden says:

    Who I want to buy is (1) Bernard I’m happy arsenal is interested and about to get (2) rodrigo would be a good striker he’s quick and can pass and finish (3) lukaku would be great and that’s all I can think of

  197. Braeden says:

    Oh and ballotelli

  198. AFC says:

    Hi Herb’s Army, IF we can spend some serious money we will become serious contenders for the EPL title and the FA & League Cups. I feel we need to add an experienced GK (Cesar would be good), CB (not sure who), DM (Gustavo), ST (Higuain if still available) and maybe another AM/RW we will win things. If we do not get a GK, CB, DM, ST I cannot see us winning anything or coming close to.

  199. Braeden says:

    I agree we need to step it up so players are attracted to us and so are good players now such as jack,santi,poldi,and giroud will stay

  200. AFC says:

    Herb’s Army, if Wenger does not make the appropriate signings we will finish 4th or even lower and if the likes of Wilshere, Walcott, Kos, Santi leave Arsenal I will not have any sympathy for Wenger or our club.

  201. davydavy says:

    What about Kun Aguero? If we have this money to spend, is Aguero an option?

    I remember reading last season that he was unsettled at ManC, and with Pellegrini bringing in four of his own new signings, the player may be feeling that the time is right for a move.

    He’d definitely fit in well with the Arsenal.

  202. AFC says:

    davydavy, City will never sell him to a EPL rival such as ourselves.

  203. davydavy says:

    Why not? After all, we sold them Adebayor and Nasri 🙂

  204. AFC says:

    Herb’s Army, Cazorla is a very good player and Real and Barca have been trying to get him for years. We are lucky to have him.

  205. AFC says:

    davydavy, just cannot see it happening.

  206. davydavy says:

    Yeh AFC you’re right, about that and about Santi Cazorla.

  207. TotalArsenal says:

    Fellow bloggers

    I have deleted all comments by HerbsArmy – he is not welcome on this site anymore.

  208. Dylan says:

    Sorry I’ve been too busy to respond today. Had a day away from technology. 😉 Great post (as usual) Marcus! I agree, Wenger needs to get over his indecision with signing players. He needs to identify targets and go in for the kill. Not dawdle over if they’re good enough, worth their wages, worth their price, etc. Suarez isn’t my first choice (or second, or third, or…you get it), but if we really are in for him, we need to just sign him up! Get it over with! As for responses to others comments all I saw invoking me was Gerry saying something about a CB I mentioned before. I mentioned three previously that I can think of right now. Those being Papadopoulos, Zouma, and Kouyate. 🙂

  209. AFC says:

    Dylan, I have heard great things about Zouma but do not know a lot about the other two DFs you have mentioned, are these three DFs good enough/ready to play in the EPL and come into the first eleven when neeeded?

  210. Dylan says:

    Zouma would be more for our youth team as he is 18. I watched him play a lot in the U20 World Cup. He has potential, but isn’t ready for the EPL. Still a good but though. Papadopoulos plays for Shalke. Meaning he has played Champions League football at the age of 21 (and done pretty well). Ill admit, I’ve only seen a couple games live along with a few highlight videos, but he looks very strong, passionate, tall, and quick for a defender. At 21 he’d be a solid buy with huge potential. Kouyate plays for Anderlecht. He can play DM or CB. He is very very pacey (especially for a CB or DM). He has decent height to him, but other than that I don’t know a ton about him. I’ve heard he has very good potential, but as he is playing a lower league he could quickly become the next Djourou. I’d say buying Zouma for our U21s and Papadopoulos for our first team would be a very very good plan. 🙂

  211. Dylan says:

    However, Kouyate is only 23 and still has time to learn. And with his pace could be very effective cover for DM and CB. So still wouldn’t be a bad buy.

  212. AFC says:

    Dylan, that is a very good plan. Zouma could partner Miquel and they coul be long term replacements along with Papadopoulos for Mert, Kos and Verm. I feel Wenger is also in need of a LB for the youth team.

  213. AFC says:

    We are also in need of a young DM to replace Frimpong and Coquelin as I feel Wenger will sell them.

  214. Dylan says:

    AFC, I completely agree. 🙂

  215. AFC says:

    I can understand why Wenger did not buy Illarramendi. He went to Real for crazy money.

  216. Dylan says:

    Agreed, Illaramendi went for crazy money. Kouyate is 23 and could be our young DM for probably very cheap.

  217. AFC says:

    Dylan, maybe the injuries to Verm and Szez could be a blessing in disguise. I say this because he will most definitely need to bring in another CB and a GK.

  218. AFC says:

    When I said ‘he’ I was referring to AW.

  219. Dylan says:

    AFC, agreed. AW is usually pretty good about buying to help injury (ex. Buying Monreal when Gibbs got hurt). Here’s a Kouyate video (not great, but best I could find in a few moments):

  220. Dylan says:

    Here’s Zouma:

  221. AFC says:

    Dylan, Kouyate looks like he would be a good buy from the video and another video which I just watched. 🙂

  222. Dylan says:

    Annnnnnd Papadopoulos:

    Quick note: if you’re ever looking for player highlights, that YouTube channel ScoutNationHD has very good videos for lots of players. I believe Glic linked the one or Bernard from that channel previously.

  223. AFC says:

    As I expected Zouma is very good for his age and could reach the heights Kos is currently at.

  224. AFC says:

    Dylan, Papadopoulos would also be a good buy but surely he would cost more than 10 million. Should not be a problem though.

  225. Dylan says:

    AFC, with Coquelin out in loan and Frimpong injured, bringing in your Kouyate could be perfect. He’d be a very cheap option. Not glamorous (or quite what we need) but a very “Wenger” signing and would be good business as long as we also bring in a world class DM alongside him. Zouma is very skilled and a long term replacement for Kos who could partner Miquel (and compliment Miquel’s left foot with his right foot) in the U21s for a couple of years. Papadopoulos could be 4th (or 3rd with Verm’s injury) choice CB this season and long term replacement for Verm. Supposedly he has a release clause of around 18 or 19 million pounds but we have the money to spend and he’s worth it. Then in the long run Zouma comes up to replace Kos, Papadopoulos is there to take Verm’s spot, and Miquel takes Per’s spot (when all three retire).

  226. henrychan says:

    Morning all..
    Suarez for 45 millions..?? COYG.. don’t be crazy.. We can get Bernard and Fellaini both with that money.. hehe..

    And Suarez play more like a RW or SS in my view.. We had Walcott for RW.. and Podolski as SS.. No need of Suarez there..
    Just say no to Suarez.. haha..

    I think We can only see a new signing coming next week.. after our team comeback from Asiatour..
    And after all big club already spend most of their money.. hahaha..

  227. JM says:

    trade trade buy buy sell sell trade trade buy buy sell sell …. yada yada .. {yawn}

    We have already made contacts in the Bundesliga:

    (1) Releasing Martin Angha to 1.FC Nuremburg
    (2) Loaning Francis Coquelin to SC Freiburg ( 1 player earmarked – Matthias Ginter)
    (3) Loaning Johan Djourou to Hamburger SV ( 1 player earmarked – Milan Badelj)

    Realistically (not in some fantasy football world scenario), if anything happens from that front (players coming to us), it will start firstly with those 3 clubs (And not from Leverkusen, Schalke, Dortmund, Bayern etc).

    Please read up my earlier comment @ July 21, 2013 15:31, regarding on why the who do not go to where.

  228. Wengerball says:

    Think it’s a bit harsh to say “…Arsene
    Wenger is notoriously indecisive…”

    I may differ with Wenger’s almost standard 65th minute or beyond substitution and not earlier in a competitive match… but I agree unequivocally with Wenger’s pragmatic and prudent decision making with regards to the Transfer window.
    If it’s not broken, don’t fix it and there’s no need of trying to reinvent the wheel it currently reaches it’s destination.

    Having not lost but won 9 out of 11 of last games of the season past, unless it’s a top top top player, there’s no need to destabilize the new found working and winning formula… as more of the same from the first game will vindicate Wenger’s decision making come the last game of the upcoming season…

  229. Gerry says:

    Morning all, Sorry, I have to breakaway from evening discussions.

    Catching up now with the two most recent (at the time of writing), Henrychan and Wengerball, as they are linked as I see it.

    Henry – you are right about Saurez positional play, and it is that ‘anywhere across the front line’ that is a bonus – flexibility and variety.

    But to link in with Wengerball’s line ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ – Saurez main attraction for me is that he takes the team we finished the season with, and then adds some. Playing as an SS he will do wonders for Giro’s ability to find a bit more space, and therefore score more freely? He will be the player that will readily feed off the Giro nods and flicks? He will be the player that will ‘read’ where Santi wants to play the killer ball first time, not have to wait until he is crowded out. Likewise with Theo. He can draw players away from Theo, and allow him to cut inside for a run on goal. If we Poldi wide, the same. If we play Poldi centrally then play can open up for either?

    These are the positives that only JB and myself see as to why he is a good buy at £40m?

    AFC – You seem to have more a fixation with getting rid of Giroud, hence the support for Higuain, and ably supported by HH? Although HH does see Giro more as a game changer off the bench. I think you are making big mistake after just one season?

    TA – You cannot get away from getting your teeth into Saurez with remarks like ‘cannibal’ can you?

    I read on another site that if we all owned to mistakes we have made in the past, then we might not be so quick to condemn?

    I think Saurez has the best opportunity, as JB has said, under AW supervision to be remembered as a great footballing talent, rather than the unacceptable behaviour of the very recent past, and which he is paying the price – I think I read yesterday it is only 6 more matches to to complete the ban, btw?

    Let me be quite clear. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

    The biting is something 5 year old children are told it is not right to do.

    Racism is largely down to what environment that kids are brought up in, as children are not born with a racist gene. John Terry’s father is an example that comes to mind?

    The ‘confession’ I mentioned at the top came from a guy who came from an African country where homophobia was rife. He made a disparaging remark about homosexuals in the company of friends here, and was immediately taken to task. Years on, he still remembers with a touch of shame and embarrassment, as his perception has changed.

    I can still recall see a National Front member trying to justify his position on racism when asked about Lenny Henry – ‘Oh, he’s one of ours, it’s the others …’

    We have come a long way in Britain, certainly since the 50′ and 60’s when I grew up. I couldn’t understand it then, and I still don’t ignore it now. The one thing people can do is reflect on their behaviour and change. It needs people to challenge and condemn unacceptable behaviour, the difficult bit is allowing the possibility to change?

  230. Gerry says:

    Dylan – Thanks for looking out the videos of previously mentioned CBs. We will have to see if the injuries do indeed prompt further action

    JM – Thanks too for giving me a little hope that Ginter might come. He seems happy where he is unfortunately?

    It is a pity Gerv wasn’t wanted at Lyon, we might have had a foothold for Le Gren Any hopeful signs there JM, despite the new contract?

    The £33m for both Illaramendi and the Mitchy guy is why I would like him this season. Creative midfielder’s are expensive items?

  231. TotalArsenal says:

    Morning all 🙂

    Gerry

    I can also see the huge sporting benefits of signing the muncher – it is not rocket science is it?!

    I am happy to forgive his racism and biting but, unlike you, I am not convinced that spending the income of 30,000 season tickets in one go is a wise investment on somebody who, on at least THREE occasions in the last few years, has done something utterly unacceptable. There is a good chance he’ll do something like that again and it will cost the club.

    IF he arrives, which I still strongly doubt, I will support him, but we better be prepared.

  232. JM says:

    @ Gerry July 22, 2013 07:20

    Welcome. There is this “little hope” as you have mentioned (which is better than nothing), since we have at least make contacts with SC Freiburg: (i) loaning Coquelin to them (ii) enquiring on Ginter.

    I will have to disappoint you and the rest on prospects of us signing Clement Grenier (and any other player from Lyon, e.g. Gonalons, Gourcuff etc). It is -100%, as long as Jean-Michel Aulas remain their president. There is some history between him and AW (when he was with Monaco).

    Arsenal should also find it tough to sign players from Lille (after we strangely gazumped CY Park from them), Marseille (bad experience in transfer dealings previously), Bordeaux (though to have “tapped” Chamakh into running down his contract to a free transfer) and a few other French clubs (not including Monaco and PSG, though the quality players from these 2 richly-funded clubs will be premium obviously).

  233. TotalArsenal says:

    Cheers JM, once again very informative! 🙂

  234. JM says:

    @ TotalArsenal July 22, 2013 07:25

    Give you a head start, we are not likely to sign anyone (at least for this summer and season) whose deemed market value and potential is more than that of Jack Wilshere.

    By Arsenal’s transfer philosophy in recent times, there would not be a stand-out individual player. Rather there would be a group of players around similar scale at the quality-end instead, although they would not be potentially and market-valued than a stand-out individual.

    @ Arsenal (market value):

    Band 1 for midfielders and forwards: Jack Wilshere, Santi Cazorla, Theo Walcott, Lukas Podolski
    Band 2 ….
    and so on.

    Band 1 for defenders and goalkeepers: Laurent Koscielny, Per Mertesacker, Thomas Vermaelen, Wojciech Szczesny
    Band 2 ….
    and so on.

  235. Gerry says:

    TA – I am not sure the comparison between how many season tickets a player costs is at all relevant. Gate receipts, like all revenue go into the pot. the transfer spending money is available. Mostly gained from increased revenue, a bit from previous savings, from sales etc. Your point would be more valid is season tickets were raised to cover any such transfer?
    As it is, well, seeing as it is you I won’t be too rude, but let’s say it is not worthy of further comment.

    Yes, it is a large sum. But as I pointed out, he looks to be the one sq player we are most likely to be able to sign, and they do not get cheaper when they are in short supply?

    I accept there is a risk with his history, and if it blows up we would lose a large chunk on any hope of resale. But I also think that, despite many a side will try and wind him up with niggly fouls, we have enough calming influences to keep any retaliation in check, in particular, Arteta. I also think that being a key player in a flowing Arsenal side may help to keep him more positive.
    Just what I think, you are welcome to disagree. As JB pointed out, there was little public knowledge of any dressing room disharmony, and like him, if that were the case I would no more want him than AW would?

  236. TotalArsenal says:

    JM 🙂

    Re market value, I can totally see that – it makes sense.

    Two, three more players of the Arsenal Band 1 category would do magic to our team.

    Am I right in assuming that Arsene will not spend any more than £30m (if that) on a player this summer?

  237. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Gerry,

    He certainly is super-quality on the field, but if you look at it from a business perspective it is too big a risk to take for the club. Good point about Arteta’s (and Cazorla’s) calming influence, though.

    The Scousers are VERY protective of their own people, and the fact that Gerrard stood up for him is of very little value to me (he is not particularly unblemished himself).

    I am pointing out the season ticket value to you and others to get back from fantasy thinking to real life thinking. As a club we worked hard to be where we are today and spending those sort of sums on ONE player – let alone somebody with high risk of fecking it all up for us – goes against a lot we have stood, and hopefully still stand, for.

    I respect that you see things differently, and I will be excited enough from a footballing point of view if we were to sign him, but I hope Arsene comes up with better and more harmonious fits to the team/club. 🙂

  238. alexgunners says:

    TA,

    Yes, as The Arsenal we have to stick to our principles and our way of doing things.
    We as fans are just becoming more and more desperate for that sign of intent that was to be shown by AW.

    Suarez is a lethal finisher but he is not of the Arsenal mould and may cause some headaches for us. Yes, there are others out there who could be the missing link that we require but Suarez is not the one in my opinion. How long is it before we have to handle his on-field antics and perhaps not get calls due to his past antics???

    Lets sign the right players but i would stay away from Suarez.

  239. JM says:

    @ TotalArsenal July 22, 2013 09:35

    I will not put a fixed figure of £30 Million. The market values changes every half a season.
    (like in a real life stock exchange, but less rapidly).

    We could

    either have a core group of Band 1 1st team players, supported by a Band 2 bench. The core group of Band 1 1st team players grow and improve together and when 1 or 2 of them leaves or retires, we still remain a strong and compact team, while having 1 or 2 from the Band 2 bench replacing or we could seek to recruit a couple of Band 1 players from outside;

    or we go for 1 or 2 stand-out individuals (Band Super) and supported by the rest of the cast and when the 1 or 2 “Band Super” players perform good, they get poached by the richer clubs and we are left with “the rest of the cast”.

    Although we are stronger financially, we are still unable to amass and sustain a 1st eleven group of “Band Super”, supported by a Band 1 bench.

  240. TotalArsenal says:

    All agreed Alex! 🙂

    JM – there is a surgical precision to your thought processes which I always enjoy reading. You and jgc would make a very fine team in organisational redesign/quality management. 🙂

    And, of course, all agreed.

  241. henrychan says:

    TA.. Your wish will come true.. Sagna will be played as a CB.. at least for tonight.. hehehe..
    And I love to watch Miyaichi start as LW tonight.. Hope he show some good progress..

    About TW..
    Wenger will give us a lot surprise.. hehehe..
    Hope it will be a nice surprise.. hahahaha..

  242. TotalArsenal says:

    Nice one Henry! 🙂

    Sagna – Jenkinson – Belerin for RB with mr Reliable covering for CB now and again…. not bad is it?

  243. alexgunners says:

    Anyone watching the game live tonight???

  244. TotalArsenal says:

    It is tv here, Alex, but I guess you mean live in Japan?!

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