Arsenal v Spurs Historic Preview and Ideal Lineup

Arsenal v Tottenham –   March 14, 2021

The two teams met for the first time in the United League November 9th 1896. The match took place at Woolwich Arsenal’s Manor Ground in Plumstead and Arsenal won, 2.1.

The United League was founded in 1896 to provide additional mid-week fixtures for teams drawn from a number of leagues including founder members, Woolwich Arsenal from the Football League, and Tottenham Hotspur from the Southern League.

The teams first met in a Division 1 Football League match on December 4th 1909 it was watched by a crowd of 18,000. Woolwich Arsenal won 1- 0 with Walter Henry Lawrence scoring their first league goal against Spurs.

As of 6 December 2020, there have been 188 competitive first-class meetings between the two teams since the first league meeting in 1909, of which Arsenal have won 77 and Tottenham 60. The most goals in one game were scored in the closely contested 5–4 Arsenal Premiership victory at White Hart Lane on 13 November 2004. The biggest winning margin was a 6–0 away win by Arsenal on 6 March 1935. Tottenham have twice won 5–0 (25 December 1911 and 4 April 1983) and Arsenal once (23 December 1978), with all three fixtures taking place at White Hart Lane. Arsenal also won by 5–2 margins both in February and November 2012 home at the Emirates.

Tottenham’s record for goals scored against Arsenal is 11 goals by Harry Kane and 10 by Bobby Smith, followed by Billy Minter with nine goals. Arsenal’s record is held jointly by Emmanuel Adebayor, Alan Sunderland and Robert Pires, with eight goals each. Adebayor also formerly held the record for most goals by a player in the North London derby with ten: eight scored for Arsenal and two for Tottenham. Arsenal’s long-time defender David O’Leary holds the record for most North London derbies played with 35, while Gary Mabbutt and Steve Perryman shared the corresponding record for Spurs, with 31.

Terry Dyson is the only Spurs player to score a hat-trick in a first-class derby game, having done so on 26 August 1961 in a 4–3 win for Spurs. The Arsenal players to have done so are Ted Drake (20 October 1934) and Alan Sunderland (23 December 1978).

Some key games between the clubs.

Tottenham 0–1 Arsenal (3 May 1971) The final match of the 1970–71 league campaign, with Arsenal needing a win or a goalless draw to take the First Division title (a score draw would have meant Leeds United won on goal average). The game was tight with few real chances on goal, until the very end. With three minutes to go, John Radford’s shot forced Pat Jennings into a good save; George Armstrong got to the rebound and chipped the ball across goal and Ray Kennedy headed home the winner. Spurs desperately tried to get a goal back but to no avail; Arsenal held on to win the title (the first half of the Double that season).

“I tried, in vain, to get into White Hart Lane for many of our away games and I was desperate to get in to watch our title winning game on May 3rd 1971 but I was among the thousands left outside the ground.

Tottenham 1–2 Arsenal (4 March 1987) Arsenal and Spurs had drawn 2–2 on aggregate in the League Cup semi-finals; with no away goals rule in force, the match was replayed at Spurs’ home ground of White Hart Lane. Spurs went 1–0 up through Clive Allen but Arsenal substitute Ian Allinson equalised and David Rocastle scrambled home the winner to send Arsenal through to the Final, where they won their first trophy since 1979.

Arsenal 1–0 Tottenham (4 April 1993 at Wembley) The second FA Cup semi-final between the two, in which Arsenal sought revenge over their North London rivals for the 3–1 semi-final defeat two years earlier. Tony Adams scored with a header from a Paul Merson free kick for the Gunners in the 79th minute; Arsenal prevailed despite Lee Dixon’s sending-off, and went on to win the FA Cup in May and complete the first ever domestic cup double.

Arsenal 2–1 Tottenham (8 April 2001 at Old Trafford) – the third FA Cup semi-final between the two. Gary Doherty gave Spurs the lead, before Patrick Vieira equalised for Arsenal. Robert Pires scored a second half winner to send Arsenal through to the first FA Cup final to be played outside England, where they lost 2–1 to Liverpool in Cardiff.

Tottenham 2–2 Arsenal (25 April 2004) Arsenal were unbeaten in the Premier League and only needed a point to secure the title. The Gunners were 2–0 up after 35 minutes thanks to Patrick Vieira and Robert Pires’ goals. A famous win looked to be on the cards, but Spurs restored some pride by denying Arsenal victory; in the second half Jamie Redknapp scored from long-range, then Robbie Keane converted a 90th-minute penalty to give Arsenal their second and, as of 2021, last league championship won at their rivals’ home ground.

Arsenal 3–1 Tottenham a.e.t (31 January 2007) Arsenal booked their place in the 2007 League Cup Final, for the first time since winning the competition in 1993, after this extra-time victory. The teams drew the first leg 2–2 at White Hart Lane where Tottenham threw away a 2–0 first half lead, eventually drawing the game. The return leg game was goalless until the 77th minute when Emmanuel Adebayor gave Arsenal the lead, before Mido equalised for Tottenham five minutes from time. Jérémie Aliadière restored Arsenal’s lead in the 105th minute and the game was eventually won by Arsenal after a 113th minute own goal by Tottenham’s Pascal Chimbonda, sending Arsenal through to the final, 5–3 on aggregate. Arsenal, however, would eventually lose the final to Chelsea.

Spurs have only beaten us at home in the Premier League on two occasions namely April 15, 1996 and the last time on November 20th 2010..

Arsenal all time EPL record against Tottenham.

Arsenal V Tottenham EPL Home Games
DateWDLGFGA
11-May-93 1 11
06-Dec-93 1 11
29-Apr-95 1 00
15-Apr-96  113
24-Nov-961  31
30-Aug-97 1 00
14-Nov-98 1 00
19-Mar-001  21
31-Mar-011  20
06-Apr-021  21
16-Nov-021  30
08-Nov-031  21
25-Apr-051  10
22-Apr-06 1 11
02-Dec-061  30
22-Dec-071  21
29-Oct-08 1 44
31-Oct-091  30
20-Nov-10  123
26-Feb-121  52
17-Nov-121  52
01-Sep-131  10
27-Sep-14 1 11
08-Nov-15 1 11
06-Nov-16 1 11
18-Nov-171  20
02-Dec-181  42
01-Sep-19 1 22
07-Mar-21     
Total:151125529

I was at Highbury for dozens of games between the two clubs and perhaps surprisingly (for the younger supporters) I don’t recollect a lot of hostility between the two sets of supporters in the 40’and 50’s but that definitely changed in the 60’s when it started to get ugly.

Frankly I’m nervous about our chances on Sunday but I will go with my heart (which pumps red and white) and predict an Arsenal win.

GunnerN5

Predicted Lineup v Spuddies by TotalArsenal:

Mourinho said he only looks up the table.. as all rats do. Us Gunners love to look at the football in front of us and our bulging trophy cabinet.

The good news is Arsenal are playing at the home of football and the entire squad is fit and available. In a NLD we need characters with both passion and professionalism, and as many fit legs as possible. No doubt, Goseeh will let us make the play and try and defeat us on the counter. And he will also be scheming to force us into mistakes when we are playing out from the back. Luckily, we have just made a few of those so we should be extra prepared tomorrow.

This is a typical game for Laca, who will get among the Spuddies and make them sweat. Auba has a good scoring record against them so I would play both Laca and Auba – or, if he is fully fit and in good form, Martinelli instead of one of them. I don’t expect the latter to be the case, so Laca and Auba are starts for me. In the hole, I hope to see ESR start this game, but only if he is fully fit of course.

We need Emile to run between the lines and glue them together, and nobody in the team is currently better at it. ESR will also be a positive cultural influence, as he will know what this game means to the club and the fans. Midfield is very likely to be Granit-Thomas, with Elneny coming on for one of them after 70 minutes. The CBs are a bit of a guess, but Big Gab and Raw Rob are my preferred duo. Tierney and Soares as full backs would make sense to me.

C O M E O N

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49 thoughts on “Arsenal v Spurs Historic Preview and Ideal Lineup

  • Super preview, GN5. Love all the historical background stuff based around famous victories. Feeling good about this one (depending on the lineup)!

  • What about George Graham’s wedding day, Terry Venables was his best man and then both met at Highbury in the Football League, 1967, my first NLD and a very enjoyable 4-0 win for the good guys…

  • Kev, There are hundreds of stories over the years, but to be honest I never knew about Venables being Graham’s best man.

  • Brilliant stuff, GN5 and Total. “as all rats do”. Ha!
    Only NLD I got to was that cup semi where our Tone nodded in at the winner at the back post. Tho’ my first ever match in the UK was Spuds v Arsenal at SHL for the great Pat Jennings testimonial.

  • Nice , N5. Total, I like the choice of Cedric, Lacazette, Emile…. I’d rather start Pepe than Auba tomorrow, toughness needed, and I think Soares, ESR, and Laca all fit that bill as well …and I prefer Pepe starting over Willian in general on merit. Auba and Willian can come off the bench.

  • My strongest memories of an NLD are not due to the football, the match at White Hart Lane in February 1997 was a goalless draw. I wouldn’t normally have gone near the place but, the directors of an agency working with me offered a couple of tickets and free hospitality in the Bill Nicholson Suite and my eldest (12 at the time) was desperate to go so I could hardly refuse. Bizarrely, they were Liverpool supporters but I knew they were entertaining other business colleagues so, I warned my son not to wear anything red and white and to cheer under his breath when we scored and off we went. Of course, as soon as we got into the Bill Nicholson Suite he whipped his coat off and revealed his Arsenal shirt! Fortunately, apart from a few raised eyebrows, there was no trouble. And he put his coat back on when we went to sit in the stand. We were right next to the away section and my son lapped it up, learning some new songs and some choice terms of endearment from them. The match was pretty boring but we were entertained by some Spuds fans who decided to have a punch up between themselves a couple of rows in front of us.

  • You do surprise me GN5 considering your encyclopaedic knowledge of all things Arsenal, it was in all the newspapers, I used to have the cutting from the Daily Express, Graham got married in the morning and El Tel his old Chelsea team mate was his best man. But the afternoon it was a very different but enjoyable occasion for us Gunners, I’m pretty certain that Arsenal haven’t had as good a win at home since, you know 4 goals and no reply.

    In those days there was usually only one goal in it either way…

    Do you remember the Phil Beal own goal at the White Hart Rubbish Dump?

    I cant really remember who scored Arsenal’s 2nd goal in that match, as we led 2-0, but I do recall the roar when Jimmy Greaves pulled one back, that has stayed with me since because I felt nothing as the stadium exploded, it was the first of many away games when I felt that feeling, the game ended 2-1 to the good guys.

  • OX10, for sure, the atmosphere at SHL has become poisonous over the last 30 years, it’s not sensible to wear Arsenal colours at that place. It got really bad under Wenger because we kept on beating them and winning everything, even with their recent ‘success’ such as it is, they’ve not actually won anything, although the Champions League Final was hard to take a few years ago, I can’t imagine how it would have gone down if they’d won the bloody thing?

  • OX10 the last time I went to their pit, about 10 years ago, I swore never to go back, horrible fans, horrible part of London and a sinister atmosphere inside – I really don’t need that crap anymore.

  • Love the preview, GN5 and TA. Particularly enjoyed the historical perspective and always nice to know we have had the edge for so long now. Nice clap-back too on that Mourinho quip about only looking up the table (like all rats do. Lol); hopefully, he is made to eat his words.

    You may just get the line up 11/11, except for Rob Holding, who hasn’t been getting the nod for that right CB berth, lately. I can’t tell why, for the life of me, but Arteta is likely to stay with Luis there. If only we could have a pairing of Gab and Mari, it would be ideal. Since that is unlikely, I’d prefer Holding; he would relish the duel with Kane. Laca and Auba both have a knack for scoring against the Spuds, with Laca in particular always willing to get one over his French team mate and No. 1.
    Mourinho will pack his midfield with his most muscular men: Ndombele, Hoijberg and Sisoko, sacrificing flare for brawn until late on. But, we do have Partey, Xhaka and others who can play around the lot of them. We have to handle this game with confidence, be clinical and just fight for the 3 points. I predicted a draw but know we can get the win.

    COYG!

  • Hojbjerg*

    Yeah, Kev. I don’t envy the fans who brave it to that venue each season. I hear it’s like running the gauntlet and has resulted in some bloody noses, at times. Tough!

  • Kev, The problem is that like most old farts my “encyclopedic knowledge” blurs with age, sad to admit but a fact is a fact.
    But I frankly do not remember that event on the other hand when I was a young man Jimmy Logie was my idol.

  • Jimmy appeared in 328 games over a 16 year period and scored 76 goals.

    Born in Edinburgh and raised in the city’s Grassmarket, Jimmy first played for Scottish junior side Lochore Welfare, before being signed by Arsenal in June 1939. Soon afterwards World War II broke out, and he was called up; he served in the Royal Navy for the entire duration of the conflict.

    After being demobbed he rejoined Arsenal, playing several wartime matches, before making his full first-team debut against Wolves on 31 August 1946. Jimmy was a talented and creative player (many observers likened him to his fellow countryman Alex James, who had played for Arsenal in the 1930s), and for the next eight seasons he was a regular in the Arsenal side, playing at inside forward.

    He took part in all of Arsenal’s early post-war successes; winning two First Division titles in 1947-48 and 1952-53. He also lifted the 1950 FA Cup (setting up both goals in the 2-0 win over Liverpool) and played in the 1952 final when the Gunners were beaten 1-0 by Newcastle after playing 55 minutes with just 10 men. In the latter stages of his career he also served as Arsenal vice-captain, behind Joe Mercer.

    In all he played 328 matches for Arsenal, scoring 76 goals and after a distinguished career with Arsenal, he was transferred to Gravesend and Northfleet for £2,000 in February 1955.

    Despite his success at Arsenal, Jimmy only ever won a single a cap for Scotland, playing against Northern Ireland on 5 November 1952.

    After retirement Jimmy fell on hard times; football was not the lucrative profession it is currently, and he was a keen gambler. He eventually ended up working for a newsagent in Piccadilly Circus.

    Jimmy Logie dedicated almost 16 years of his life to Arsenal.

    He died in 1984, aged 64.

  • As I wrote Jimmy ended up as a news vendor outside Piccadilly Circus and would always be surrounded by Arsenal going in and out of the underground – including GN5 when I was in the area.

  • Yes, it’s odd isn’t it GN5 because I can remember obscure facts from years ago but I can’t remember what I did last week…

  • Yes Jimmy Logie, he was a part of my Dads favourite all time Arsenal team, 1947/48, ended up selling the Evening Standard outside Leicester Square Tube station.

  • Or was it Piccadilly Circus GN5? Maybe it was both…

    Alex James was on the coaching staff during the 1950’s so he must have worked with Logie.

  • Interesting that you mention the 1950 FACup final GN5 because the recipient of those Logie assists was Reg Lewis, who broke into the Arsenal team towards the end of the 1930’s and finished at Arsenal I think the season we won the league in 1953.

    Lewis was Arsenal’s major striker during the post-war period and scored well over 100 goals but I wonder how many he would have got if he hadn’t lost almost 7 years of top level football from 1939/40 to 1945/46.

  • Memory act in strange ways, I can clearly remember going down the Caledonain underground prior to air raids during WW11 and if we didn’t have time to make the underground we tried the air raid shelter at the top of the Street – if that failed we stayed home, pulled the black out curtains tight and then snuffed the gas lights – and hoped for good luck..

    However many times I can’t remember what I did last week – my memory used to be crystal clear but now I find myself writing things down so i won’t forget what to do? – the curse of creeping age.

  • I also included Reg Lewis in my series.

    Reg Lewis: 1935-1953.

    Reg appeared in 176 games over an 18 year period and scored 118 goals.

    Born in Bilston, Staffordshire, Reg spent his entire career at Arsenal. He joined the club as a schoolboy in 1935, and scored on his debut against Everton on January 1, 1938. He made only four appearances in 1937-38, however, and as a result missed out on a League Championship winners’ medal. He broke into the first-team more in 1938-39, making 16 appearances in league and cup, scoring 7 goals, but the advent of the WW11 interrupted his career.

    During the war he continued to play for Arsenal and shone as a natural goal scorer; although wartime appearances and goals are not officially counted, he scored 143 goals in 130 games, including four in the 1943 War Cup Southern Final, in a 7-1 demolition of Charlton Athletic. Towards the end of the war he served in the British Army of the Rhine in Occupied Germany, but returned to play for Arsenal once first-class football resumed in 1946. Although most of the Arsenal side of the 1930s were past their best by this time, Reg was still only 26 and he continued to be a regular in the first team throughout the remainder of the 1940s. He was the club’s top scorer in 1946-47 with 29 goals, and the following season (1947-48), he partnered new signing Ronnie Rooke and between them they scored 47 goals as Arsenal won the First Division title.

    He continued to be a regular for the rest of the decade and he enjoyed arguably his best season in 1949-50; he scored 19 goals in 31 league games, played twice for the England B team. However, during the early 1950s, Reg became constantly afflicted with injuries, and he made only 12 appearances in 1951-52 and none at all in 1952-53.

    His tally of 118 in 176 first-team games puts him 13th in the all-time list but his total figure from 1935 to 1953 was a staggering 392 in 451 matches. His finest hour came in the 1950 FA Cup final, when he scored both goals in a 2-0 win over Liverpool.

    In the close season of 1953, he retired from the game at the age of 33. After retiring, Reg first ran a pub, and then worked in insurance.

    Reg passed away in 1997 aged 77 years.

  • I meant to type “flair”, somewhere up there*

    The way the memory works has also fascinated me. With you two talking about having clearer memories of events in our youthful days than those only weeks previously, just brings home the fact it is all in the aging process.

    I get frustrated when I can’t recall what I intended to say or assign to someone I was anxious to see just hours earlier. I learnt quickly to make notes and that makes it so much better.

    I remember the sequence of moves (especially, leading to goals) in games I saw as a kid than those I watch in the present times. Amazing, really. It is what Life is about, I guess.

  • Yes GN5, I wouldn’t know where I was without my old style calendar, thanks for the Reg Lewis info.

    Dougie Lishman took on the striker’s role when Reg’s powers waned and he looked a really tough hombre. The 1952/53 title winning team was the last hurrah of that immediate group of post war players, Arsenal then went into a slumber until Bertie Mee and Don Howe shook the place up.

  • The brain will remember good things and new things much more than normal and repetitive events, so it is ok not to remember what we did last week if nothing extraordinary happened then.

  • Youth with Laca in attack, Pepe, Auba and Willian on bench to come on when the Spuddies are tired out?

    CoyrrGs ⚽ ⚽ ⚽ ⚽ ⚽

  • Hmmmm. Still no room for Holding and Martinelli. Not sure I understand playing both ESR and Odegaard when we could deploy Pepe or Willian for some pressure.

    Let’s hope it works a trick. COYG!

  • This is the future, Eris. Saka, Ode and ESR will pass and pass and find the gaps hopefully. Key is for Xhaka and Partey to form a strong wall behind them.. I like it but will we take our chances when they occur?

  • TA, nicely done with the 9/11 predictions, especially finding Soares at RB.

    Eris, my thoughts/concerns exactly. However ESR used to play LW often at U23 level, so it might not be that strange to him not playing at AM (where Odegaard is indeed the real deal).

    Tottenham fielded a strong and attack-minded team with the identical formation as Arsenal. The 2 main difference are:
    – in midfield we play with our 2 best passers while Tottenham plays with 2 brutes (Ndombele & Højbjerg)
    – the trio behind the lone striker is experienced and in form for Tottenham (11 goals and 10 assist combined since February), while Arsenal’s trio is more for the future than prolific (3 goals and 4 assist since February)

    While I don’t see a clear weakness in our defense, both Tottenham full backs are a liability defensively. We should target them (but not in terms of crossing, rather winning 1-on-1 or 2v1 duels then cutting inside), and for that purpose Pepe would be more effective than anybody…

  • Good shout re full backs, PB.

    Playing really well. Disciplined and creating chances. Was Leno too fat out of goal for the Spuds goal?

    ESR went so close but Ode had that much needed bounce of the ball.

    1-1 all to play for ⚽

  • I agree Arsenal is playing really good. Especially in transitioning from defense to offense, but generally I’m satisfied with the line of play. The 2 shots on the post also convincing that we are not far from scoring more.

    I don’t think Leno had a chance. The rabona style is not (entirely) for showing off, but rather depriving the defender (this time the goalkeeper) from your intention. Bernd couldn’t dive sooner due to the lack of sign that there is a shot coming to the far post.
    I despise the spuds just like every other Arsenal fan, but I have to admit, this goal was a beauty. I don’t remember when did I see such a great goal conceded.

    Back to the game, we are balanced and effectively targeting both flanks. But still decide too often to go with the high cross. In fact our equalizer was the result of Tierney passing low in a position where he opted to cross previously. I hope the lads will keep doing that and wash the spuds away.

  • What the hell is happening we lost concentration ever since that red card misplaced passes and free kicks all over the place.

  • I only got to see the Kane freekick replay lol I had to look away could not believe how we were about to let a ten man team get back into it so easily

  • Post match everyone Wright, hoddle and Owen all said it was not a penalty I disagree. Let me explain. Everyone is saying sanchez didn’t impede Laca and Laca had fluffed his chance, but the ball was still in play and Laca was close to the ball and sanchez took him out. If the ball is in play in the box and a player is fouled inside the box it’s penalty irrespective of the fact that the impeded player is denied a goal scoring opportunity. It’s a clear panalty because the play didn’t go out of play.
    Great 3 points and te.played really well. Negatives for later but enjoyed the game.

  • You are right, Madhu. Don’t sweat on it: the pundits in the studio are just there for decor, they don’t know more on these matters than the the 2 commentators or even us (absolutely ZERO irony or sarcasm here), It was a clear fault, which was indeed unnecessary as Lacazette had minimal chance converting the shot, and it is also true that Sanchez didn’t force Laca to miss, however the rules say that a player shouldn’t fault another even when the ball is irrecoverable. We saw this thousands of time that a free kick was given after an – unforced! – long ball didn’t reach its intended target only because the player was faulted after the ball was already in the air…
    So I don’t consider ourselves lucky for the penalty – nor for Lamela’s red card or Kane’s disallowed goal – unless having a fair refereeing constitutes as luck (of which you may have good rationale to argue).

    There are a plethora of positives in the game. Tierney was a menace both offensively and defensively, Xhaka was granit(e) in the middle (2nd most tackles and highest number of interceptions on the pitch), ESR provided 4 key passes of our 11 total (Tottenham had only 3 all players combined!), and Odegaard contributed to the pressing and defense actively (with 3 tackles and 1-1 interception/clearance) besides dictating the play and scoring making my MotM twice in a row.

    Not for the glass being half empty, but there were a few negatives as well. Saka was quite poor for the third time in March (after being voted player of the Month for 3 times in succession), and Leno wasn’t that convincing either tonight, especially with Kane’s free kick. Gabriel seemed superfluous based solely on statistics (with 0 tackle, clearance or interception), however his one and only block was vital in the game and he made a leaping header (next to the sideline in an unimportant situation in the 55’s minute) when he jumped about a meter over his opponent. Anyway, it’s not his fault that the so-called “in-form” Tottenham couldn’t apply more pressure so Soares, Luiz and Tierney could answer all the few questions asked.
    My other pain point is that Arsenal should have won this tie with 2-3 goals even against 11 men, but after taking the lead the urgency disappeared (again) and we were somewhat lucky to keep the advantage till the final whistle. Nevertheless I would have accepted this result with no hesitation a week ago, so I’m not really complaining.

  • I thought it was a penalty too, for the reasons you’ve adduced there, Madhu. Yes, Laca had made the fluffed contact with the ball but without being fouled, he may yet have reached the ball to make amends, but didn’t even get the chance because Sanchez took him out.
    Our game management after they went one man down was shocking, but it was a tense few minutes. We were ahead and now they go one man down; the nerves start to tingle knowing there is no excuse not to get 3 points at the time. So, even the big players started to fret and nearly froze with the weight of expectation.

    I am glad they all fought to succeed today, helping one another over the line. Other than the CBs, I must say I liked how hard Odegaard has worked today. Never seemed to tire as he harried the spurs defence no end. He was also very good on the ball and never hid.

    Happy for the win and how we dominated the spuds; if only the critics would quit making out like they are a great team when they are really not. Pepe looks to me like a player who does better if on from the start. I have only ever seen him come on as a sub to do well, and that was when he got those two goals in a Europa league encounter at the Emirates (can’t recall the game now). He came on ruffled a few feathers, but was largely ineffectual. Same with Willian but it wasn’t easy to come on and replace the performances of ESR and well, Saka (didn’t do enough that first half). I do hope his injury is not one to worry about.

    Well, cheers guys!

  • Good comments.

    This was only the third time Mourinho lost to an Arsenal team. Arteta did it in his second year as a manager and he outsmarted the Portuguese prat for 80 minutes. Wow.

  • @pbarany, the Pundits i mean how mean and anti-arsenal can they be? what’s wrong have Arsenal done to them. Can you guys enlighten me here, is there something historical here. How can they be so technically inept not to state the obvious which is that the ball is in play in the box and a player is fouled with a two legged sliding tackle. Also i heard embarrassing discourse by Michael Owen who goes on about how Gaza used to protect ball with his two hands and he was sorry to see that Lamella was given a card. I mean isn’t that embarrassing, that here is a player who is encouraging a player to extend his arm and crush a defenders throat. How can you call these people pundits, embarrassing to the core.
    On the lighter note, we are over 40 points and officially not in relegation fight 🙂

  • Madhu, I totally agree. The penalty was caused by a potentially dangerous two-legged sliding tackle, Laca was probably aware of what was incoming and was potentially put off his shot by it too, although apart from the pen he didn’t have the best of days in the box. Lamella deserved his red card and imagine that many ManUre fans cheering that decision. He’s an evil little shite who goes around surreptitiously tapping ankles trying to get players to retaliate and get themselves sent off. He could have got a second yellow earlier and it was well deserved when it came.

  • Madhu, this is something only someone born and raised in the UK could properly answer.
    I have a theory, but that is pure speculation. I think the – decade-long – anti-Arsenal bias stems from
    – Arsene Wenger often playing without a single English player in the team
    – and doing it so painfully elegant and effective
    I have no better explanation that this, but I can imagine could feel like a kick in the teeth for the country claiming to invent football and their superior identity on every football-related topic.

    However this is history. I don’t think many of the people I accuse of being biased would be aware of that. So – still in my theory – it is subconscious. But you can notice them by the constant double standards applied in commentaries, tweets, interviews, red cards, hell even in VAR interpretations.
    The only exception could be the live pundits, who are kind of forced to say stupid things, otherwise they risk of not being invited next time. Their success criteria is to be talked and tweeted about for days and weeks, so instead of saying something intelligent or true – and therefore potentially obvious – (of which only a fraction of the pundits capable of – but I am known of my bias/despise of this so-called profession) they rather go for the controversial – and therefore potentially idiotic – comments or “insights”.

    What is outrageous now is that a 3-4 years ago Chelsea had a virtually no-Englishman team; after Lampard and Terry but before Chilwell, James, Mount, Hudson-Odoi and Abraham. So they could have ended up like Arsenal (or even worse as they bought their players for record breaking price from Russian [dirty] oil money), but somehow Chelsea didn’t. Of which I have no better explanation that Arsenal did the unthinkable 12-13 years earlier – thus the first time is always more shocking – and that in the meantime bias became more and more uncool and anti-PC; so new biases are hard to develop, however existing biases (including but not limited to good old racism) are even harder to identify and get rid of.

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